Trilian - still awesome? also for synth basses?

[Kinh]

Not true. The synth basses in Omnisphere dont stack up against Trilian in terms of sound quality and volume. There were a few added in the 'hardware' library but not really that many compared to Trilian.

Double not true. In terms of numbers, Omni 2.6 has about 440 Synth Bass patches across its various libraries, while Trilian has 290 and another 30 or so in the VIP area. For BPM Bass patches it's closer - about 230 each.

IMO some of the best Spectrasonics synth basses are in the Hardware Omni 2.5 library. In a way, the Hardware library synth basses steal a bit of Trilian's thunder.

I think double not true is the wrong choice of words in this case if you're not emphasizing my point but anyway, Omni basses are not sampled based, at least most of them, Trilian is. For that reason, they dont count.

[SLiC]

Trillian has some off the very best acoustic basses, but it realy is much better value when used as p[art of Omnisphere.

[Kinh]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

Complete nonsense. Take the time to listen to current music before you label it outdated, Trilian synth bass sounds are everywhere on the charts and even bass music in festival scene are slowly shifting away from generic oscillators towards synthy sounds.
Also the acoustic bass section isn't the exception (the electric basses are better) and there aren't better alternatives out there especially in terms of processing.

[noiseboyuk]

Not true. The synth basses in Omnisphere dont stack up against Trilian in terms of sound quality and volume. There were a few added in the 'hardware' library but not really that many compared to Trilian.

Double not true. In terms of numbers, Omni 2.6 has about 440 Synth Bass patches across its various libraries, while Trilian has 290 and another 30 or so in the VIP area. For BPM Bass patches it's closer - about 230 each.

IMO some of the best Spectrasonics synth basses are in the Hardware Omni 2.5 library. In a way, the Hardware library synth basses steal a bit of Trilian's thunder.

I think double not true is the wrong choice of words in this case if you're not emphasizing my point but anyway, Omni basses are not sampled based, at least most of them, Trilian is. For that reason, they dont count.

Well since you said “quality and volume” I called you on it - factually incorrect for volume and subjective on quality, and I think you’re getting confused with sample-based between the synth and electric / acoustic stuff. Both Omni and Trilian have sampled and synth-based synth basses (as it were).

[Kinh]

Not true. The synth basses in Omnisphere dont stack up against Trilian in terms of sound quality and volume. There were a few added in the 'hardware' library but not really that many compared to Trilian.

Double not true. In terms of numbers, Omni 2.6 has about 440 Synth Bass patches across its various libraries, while Trilian has 290 and another 30 or so in the VIP area. For BPM Bass patches it's closer - about 230 each.

IMO some of the best Spectrasonics synth basses are in the Hardware Omni 2.5 library. In a way, the Hardware library synth basses steal a bit of Trilian's thunder.

I think double not true is the wrong choice of words in this case if you're not emphasizing my point but anyway, Omni basses are not sampled based, at least most of them, Trilian is. For that reason, they dont count.

Well since you said “quality and volume” I called you on it - factually incorrect for volume and subjective on quality, and I think you’re getting confused with sample-based between the synth and electric / acoustic stuff. Both Omni and Trilian have sampled and synth-based synth basses (as it were).

not getting confused about anything, most of Trilian synth basses are sourced from actual synths. And you didn't call me on anything.

[noiseboyuk]

Er... so you still believe there are more synth basses in Trilian even though there are not? You’re wrong about the other thing too, but let’s focus on number of patches first.

[noiseboyuk]

While I wait for Kinh's thoughts on the reality of patch numbers or otherwise, here's a bit more info on the whole sampled vs non-sampled thing in Trilian vs Omni 2.

The raw facts are that there are approx. 60 ARP BASS patches in Omni 2 that are tagged as sample only, which is out of 670. Trilian’s basses aren’t tagged with the sample/osc attribute, but the vast majority (all?) of Trilian’s are indeed technically sampled. BUT many of those are only using sampled waveforms – an MS20 sine wave etc. The reason for this is that Trilian was made prior to Omni 2, which introduced Wavetables, a superior method of doing the same job essentially. Spectrasonics haven’t done any waveforms as samples since 2.0. So there's little practical difference between a Wavetable patch and a sampled static oscillator patch, except you can do less with the latter.

I'm not sure what proportion of Trilian patches use full samples of Synth Basses, as distinct from merely waveforms.

So the headline is - both Omni and Trilian have sampled synth basses, and both have oscillator basses (including sampled oscillators as essentially waveform sound sources). Trilian has more sampled synth bass content proportionately than Omni, if that's an important metric to you.

In terms of numbers of Synth Bass patches, originally there was more in Trilian on release, but since then Omni has grown massively, so it now significantly exceeds Trilian in a basic patch count of BPM Bass and Synth Bass patches.

[datroof]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

Complete nonsense. Take the time to listen to current music before you label it outdated, Trilian synth bass sounds are everywhere on the charts and even bass music in festival scene are slowly shifting away from generic oscillators towards synthy sounds.
Also the acoustic bass section isn't the exception (the electric basses are better) and there aren't better alternatives out there especially in terms of processing.

I seem to have touched a sore spot - sorry to have offended you. Today's word is "subjective". Look it up, it's catching on.

[Kinh]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

Complete nonsense. Take the time to listen to current music before you label it outdated, Trilian synth bass sounds are everywhere on the charts and even bass music in festival scene are slowly shifting away from generic oscillators towards synthy sounds.
Also the acoustic bass section isn't the exception (the electric basses are better) and there aren't better alternatives out there especially in terms of processing.

I seem to have touched a sore spot - sorry to have offended you. Today's word is "subjective". Look it up, it's catching on.

I dont get offended , I just dont want others to lose interest in a product based on inaccurate info. Nothing personal, it's just that I spend a bit more time using these products than most do + I'm very familiar with music trends and nothing is subjective, it either fits into one category or another.

[jancivil]

"and there aren't better alternatives out there especially in terms of processing."

Opinion as fact! Also I couldn't care less about its use in teh 'charts'.

I think it has good stuff. I don't tend to bring it out because the processing is too much. I like my taste more than I like the taste of whomever did that processing.
It can get in the way, I tend to turn it off.

It supposeda have teh Moog basses. I have Monark. Guess which I use.
(the one I enjoy using a lot more. I hate Trilian's interface.)

[Caine123]

thx for all the opinions etc. i would buy it for 150 bucks or so, i hope to find it some time a bit cheaper otherwise i will maybe just buy it if i feel to loose money ;D, i am interested in the trillian+omnisphere patches combined, afaik you can load trilian patches in omnisphere?

[Aloysius]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

+1

[neverenoughfunk]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

+1

just curious... how are SOUNDS outdated? especially when trillian is multi timbre... NOW!!! if you are using preset than that is understandable... but try layering/experimenting with the patches and see what you come up with... but SOUNDS being outdated SOUNDS crazy... especially bass patches...

[Kinh]

Personally, I think most of the Trillian sounds are outdated - Trillian is getting pretty old and there are better alternatives available. The main exception is the acoustic bass selection. Nothing earth shattering, but they always seem to sit very nicely in a mix.

+1

just curious... how are SOUNDS outdated? especially when trillian is multi timbre... NOW!!! if you are using preset than that is understandable... but try layering/experimenting with the patches and see what you come up with... but SOUNDS being outdated SOUNDS crazy... especially bass patches...

I know, right. These guys have no idea what people are using now in music. They probably dont even know who Calvin Harris, The Chainsmokers, Marshmallow, etc is but happy to say something's outdated because they themselves dont use it. Okay.

[Aloysius]

Let's face it, this product is old. It may have been the bees knees at one time but not anymore. There are fantastic electric bass instruments for Kontakt for example that load about 100 times faster and sound better imho. MODO Bass is pretty good too. As for synth sounds, there's DIVA and Monark etc and again a bunch of cool stuff for Kontakt. I'm assuming you already know about these things but you may be short on facts so I thought I'd get you up to date with some modern day offerings.