Catalina: Apple turns macOS into a closed platform; many audio-devs warned from the upgrade

[frizzbee]

haha already made my day. only thing i can say: don't ever upgrade to the macOS hell of Catalina! thanks to nature the Streisand effect will do the rest

[Forgotten]

put your money where your passive-aggressive mouths are

So true though...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I think Apple's suggestions would be helpful for many developers who are wondering how to communicate a fact without getting flamed.

That's all well and good, Michael. But let's not allow such sensible explanations get in the way of developers throwing tantrums

[Forgotten]

Indeed, what would happen to all those poor people who are expecting to dedicate their time to communicating the real nature of upgrading to Catalina?

[mike_the_ranger]

Why should devs get flamed for clearly stating that Apple & macOS have surpassed their zenith and cause (not only) them more trouble only with every release? And why should someone think "don't upgrade" is so offending? Sounds like arguments from the fanatic religious fanboys.

[0degree]

Why should devs get flamed for clearly stating that Apple & macOS have surpassed their zenith and cause (not only) them more trouble only with every release? And why should someone think "don't upgrade" is so offending?

Because you can't say anything bad about Apple. Apple is your friend. You can only love Apple, otherwise you're a hater and crybaby. Why is it so difficult to understand?

[mike_the_ranger]

Why should devs get flamed for clearly stating that Apple & macOS have surpassed their zenith and cause (not only) them more trouble only with every release? And why should someone think "don't upgrade" is so offending?

Because you can't say anything bad about Apple. Apple is your friend. You can only love Apple, otherwise you're a hater. Why is it so difficult to understand?

My bad

[risch]

And what percentage of your business are you prepared to put on the line?

I would say there is a flip side to this, dropping Apple Support will mean less wasted time needing to rewrite portions of the codebase each year, and streamline development for windows - that extra time going towards better and fuller featured windows products, most likely drawing in more windows customers to fill the void of the apple users.

[BlueprintInc]

Just received this email from Apple...

Got that too and first thought this was a joke from someone. Decided to put extra warnings online that Catalina is not supported so far and we highly recommend not upgrading at all.

Btw did I tell that apple tech support is non existing? Not a single mail, support ticket oder forum entry got responded but when it's about their "reputation" suddenly they care to help

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Why should devs get flamed for clearly stating that Apple & macOS have surpassed their zenith and cause (not only) them more trouble only with every release? And why should someone think "don't upgrade" is so offending? Sounds like arguments from the fanatic religious fanboys.

Nothing offensive about being told not to upgrade. And yes, Apple have royally f**ked this up, as they have many other things. But there's no excuse for this:

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=531540

or to a lesser extent Markus starting this thread, just to whine.

And this has nothing to do with 'us vs them'. Urs Heckman, for example, is no doubt quite pissed at the current situation, yet not only does he manage to maintain a professional public image of impartiality, but is seemingly not so phased by what is necessary to get U-He's plugins up working with Catalina. He also had this, to say:

Every upgrade of Windows, and sometimes those pesky little updates, has broken things for us.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And what percentage of your business are you prepared to put on the line?

I would say there is a flip side to this, dropping Apple Support will mean less wasted time needing to rewrite portions of the codebase each year, and streamline development for windows - that extra time going towards better and fuller featured windows products, most likely drawing in more windows customers to fill the void of the apple users.

Absolutely! And it's one of the reasons I think he (and to a greater extent, Melda) should drop Mac support. They clearly resent Apple as a company and it's 'hipster' (That was Melda, by the way) user-base. So, if not for a much tighter development focus, then they should at least consider dropping MacOS so he can remain in alignment with their beliefs.

If we assume that Apple is going to keep doing just what Apple always does, then the developer is left with the decision to either just accept it (embrace it, even), and do what needs to be done (As other developers seem to be doing), or ditch it. I don't think anyone should blame a developer for deciding that this is not what they 'signed up for', and decided to focus on the platform that they prefer

[mladi]

I really struggeled with posting the text above. With Catalina Apple has introduced 'software notarisation'. They advertize it enhances security. However it is pretty easy to bypass.
Fact is that notarisation gives them complete control over all software which is running on their systems. If they do not like a developer or product they can simply discontinue his development contract ($99 per year) and he is not longer able to sell software on this platform.

A Monopolist par excellence!

[Michael L]

I am so totally a hipster! Melda got that one so right.

[Forgotten]

I really struggeled with posting the text above. With Catalina Apple has introduced 'software notarisation'. They advertize it enhances security. However it is pretty easy to bypass.
Fact is that notarisation gives them complete control over all software which is running on their systems. If they do not like a developer or product they can simply discontinue his development contract ($99 per year) and he is not longer able to sell software on this platform.

A Monopolist par excellence!

mostly lies about developer interests!

I like this new game

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I really struggeled with posting the text above. With Catalina Apple has introduced 'software notarisation'. They advertize it enhances security. However it is pretty easy to bypass.
Fact is that notarisation gives them complete control over all software which is running on their systems. If they do not like a developer or product they can simply discontinue his development contract ($99 per year) and he is not longer able to sell software on this platform.

A Monopolist par excellence!

mostly lies about developer interests!

I like this new game

I tried to play, but I only got as far as M*****-F*****