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lwj wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:27 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
That's why the rule is:
4 hours in the gym for every 30 minutes on the DAW.
I have a similar rule but it's:
4 hours on KvR for every 30 minutes on the DAW.
Signatures are so early 2000s.

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If you thought it stopped at your ears... well...no as the colour of the DAW can affect your own bio clock and sleep pattern. Blue light will keep you awake whilst orange light (not neon glow orange) will naturally do the opposite..So if you're using a DAW in a dark or dimly lit room, then consider using orange hues. Obviously this would be ineffective if flashing the web up..but you get the idea....
actually I saw something on the news just the night before last...ever hear of blue light therapy? Typically it was used in the past for skin conditions, but they also found that it even helps brain injuries. Here's a quote from one site
Aside form treating skin related conditions, blue light therapy can also be use for treating other types of medical issues.


Depression

Blue light therapy can assist with the suppression of the physical symptoms of depressive illnesses, especially Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD).

Lack of natural light during the winter months can lead to a depressed mood, lack of energy, lapses in concentration, and fatigue. Natural sunlight is the best way of combating seasonal depression, but during the dark winters this often isn’t available and so the artificial light of Blue Light therapy is an effective alternative.


Insomnia

Insomnia can be caused by exposure to artificial lighting (such as televisions and computer screens).

By helping to stimulate, suppress, or reset the sleep cycle, Blue Light therapy can have significant benefits in relation to the timing, quality and duration of sleep.

Benefits have also been found in relation to melatonin production which helps regulate the internal body clock’s cycle.
https://www.sickjournal.com/blog/13-ski ... ht-therapy

for insomnia
Wait... Isn't blue spectrum light bad for sleeping?

Yes! If you have normal healthy sleep, you can actually do yourself a disservice by exposing yourself to blue light at inappropriate times.

The most common sleep hygiene problem we have in the US is using devices with backlit screens right before bedtime. This includes smartphones, tablets, handheld games, laptops, even close-range TVs.

What's worse, we're taking gadgets to bed with us, and using them in the dark. This is problematic: blue light immediately stops the brain's pineal gland from releasing a natural hormone, melatonin, which is critical for the onset of sleep.

This naturally occurring melatonin should be released approximately 2 hours prior to your natural bedtime. Without it, the body cannot launch into sleep.

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The large numbers of insomniacs posting comments online at 2 am is evidence enough: we need to adopt best practices at bedtime to remove these hazards. Using blue-light filters on our devices and wearing blue-blocking glasses with UV-protective, orange-shaded lenses are two solutions, if putting gadgets away is impossible.

Three circadian rhythm sleep disorders which benefit from blue light therapy

Delayed sleep phase syndrome (DSPS). People with this circadian rhythm disorder go to bed 2 or more hours later than everyone else, and not by choice.

This also means they naturally wake up 2 or more hours later than everyone else, which can wreak havoc on their lives if they are employed, have family obligations, or school to define their morning activities.

Using light therapy for DSPS consists of morning exposure to reset circadian rhythms.

Advanced sleep phase syndrome (ASPS). These people have personal rhythms that dictate that they fall asleep 2 or more hours before everybody else. Many elderly people have ASPS. When younger people experience ASPS, they find they are missing out on social lives and relationships because they can't stay awake late enough at night.

This also means they rise at least 2 hours before everybody else, which may be easier to manage than DSPS, but can still be significantly disorienting.

Using light therapy for ASPS means applying therapy in the later part of the day.

It stimulates wakefulness and delays premature production and release of melatonin until a much more appropriate time in the evening.

Insomnia. Insomnia disorder is not a circadian rhythm sleep disorder, per se, but it is often misdiagnosed when people suffer from the sleep phase disorders mentioned above.

Other sleep disorders may also warrant the occasional use of phototherapy: jet lag, free-running or Non-24-hour sleep-wake rhythm, shift work disorder, and SAD.
https://www.soundsleephealth.com/blog/b ... s-and-asps

as for brain injuries take your pic
https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Blue ... &FORM=EWRE
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I've got f.lux (or the equivalent for android -Twilight) on every machine I work with, definitely has reduced my daily eyestrain, especially when working on my laptop in the evening/night - https://justgetflux.com/

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lwj wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:27 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
That's why the rule is:
4 hours in the pub for every 30 minutes on the DAW.
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:hug:

Better than taking Advil.
whyterabbyt wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:30 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Whilst there are many psychological benefits in using DAW's, there is the old adage of 'too much of a good thing, has a flip side.
What psychological benefits are there in "using DAW's?" (sic)

It's rarely ever talked about
Is it actually a real thing? Y'know, really.

and with DAWs and the manuals long diminished into virtual reality of a computer screen, the likelihood is that users and particularly young people never read them.
Makes no sense. DAWs were always on a computer screen.

And your 'and with' makes an link between using something too much and not reading a manual. How does that relate again?

Have they and do they even mention the cautions one should take whilst using DAWs...
Who is 'they?' Last subject was 'young people', so young people should be mentioning the cautions?
What are these cautions?

I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure I read Propellerheads manual back to front when I got it back in 2001...The good old days of reading paper.... One of the obvious one's is the sound level and the duration in which you listen to your music, during and after..
So you're not even sure if this is real. But it had paper. And didnt have anything to do with DAWs, but was actually about monitoring levels.
Okay.
You'll know that feeling inside your head like you've been catapulted out into outer space and brought back to earth, in a temporary state of death..I mean deaf..
Nope. But I paid extra for the good drugs.
If you thought it stopped at your ears... well...
Deafness doesnt stop at your ears?
Blue light will keep you awake whilst orange light (not neon glow orange) will naturally do the opposite..
Its a shame that science think orange light wakes you up, then.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... adian-eye/

I guess its just as well its not all computer applications, just specifically DAWs.
So if you're using a DAW in a dark or dimly lit room, then consider using orange hues.
So that you fall asleep while using your DAW?
Obviously this would be ineffective if flashing the web up..but you get the idea....
Dont flash the web, please.
The bio clock of our bodies exists in many places, not just our brain but also places such as our heart.
It sounds more like a set of bio watches, then. Too many scattered bits to be one single bio clock.
Pretty much every living thing on this planet has a body clock including that of a humble fly.. It's all related the cycle of the cells and how they regenerate.
Nope.
For those who are blind, some people will be able still to recognise when it's dark and light for other people who are blind they may not have any due to severed nerves from an injury.
They wont have any what?

Also, just checking; are these blind people young or not? Presumably the older ones have read manuals thus know that the orange light puts them to sleep?
Those that fall into the latter category judging how much sleep they need because light plays such an important part of our bio clock.
Uhuh. You're claiming some sort of thing about the sleep patterns of people with severed eye nerves and it's erm, a thing because light, bioclock?
Do elucidate...
Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
Yes, you've made such a meaningful case for ears and eyes, its only fair you just gloss over the 'other aspects'. I presume its along the line of having problems with one's nose when my DAW gets dusty for example, or that licking it tastes horrible, so I can see why there's no need to provide solid information.

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THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Whilst there are many psychological benefits in using DAW's, there is the old adage of 'too much of a good thing, has a flip side. It's rarely ever talked about and with DAWs and the manuals long diminished into virtual reality of a computer screen, the likelihood is that users and particularly young people never read them. Have they and do they even mention the cautions one should take whilst using DAWs...I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure I read Propellerheads manual back to front when I got it back in 2001...The good old days of reading paper.... One of the obvious one's is the sound level and the duration in which you listen to your music, during and after.. You'll know that feeling inside your head like you've been catapulted out into outer space and brought back to earth, in a temporary state of death..I mean deaf.. Pretty much the same as coming out from a loud night club or stadium without ear protection...

If you thought it stopped at your ears... well...no as the colour of the DAW can affect your own bio clock and sleep pattern. Blue light will keep you awake whilst orange light (not neon glow orange) will naturally do the opposite..So if you're using a DAW in a dark or dimly lit room, then consider using orange hues. Obviously this would be ineffective if flashing the web up..but you get the idea....

The bio clock of our bodies exists in many places, not just our brain but also places such as our heart. Pretty much every living thing on this planet has a body clock including that of a humble fly.. It's all related to the cycle of the cells and how they regenerate.

For those who are blind, some people will be able still to recognise when it's dark and light for other people who are blind, they may not have any sense of time either due to severed nerves from an injury and find life even more difficult because light plays such an important part of our bio clock.

Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
can i interest you in some "goop"?
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I’m thinking that he might have better “goop” than you.
vurt wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:02 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Whilst there are many psychological benefits in using DAW's, there is the old adage of 'too much of a good thing, has a flip side. It's rarely ever talked about and with DAWs and the manuals long diminished into virtual reality of a computer screen, the likelihood is that users and particularly young people never read them. Have they and do they even mention the cautions one should take whilst using DAWs...I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure I read Propellerheads manual back to front when I got it back in 2001...The good old days of reading paper.... One of the obvious one's is the sound level and the duration in which you listen to your music, during and after.. You'll know that feeling inside your head like you've been catapulted out into outer space and brought back to earth, in a temporary state of death..I mean deaf.. Pretty much the same as coming out from a loud night club or stadium without ear protection...

If you thought it stopped at your ears... well...no as the colour of the DAW can affect your own bio clock and sleep pattern. Blue light will keep you awake whilst orange light (not neon glow orange) will naturally do the opposite..So if you're using a DAW in a dark or dimly lit room, then consider using orange hues. Obviously this would be ineffective if flashing the web up..but you get the idea....

The bio clock of our bodies exists in many places, not just our brain but also places such as our heart. Pretty much every living thing on this planet has a body clock including that of a humble fly.. It's all related to the cycle of the cells and how they regenerate.

For those who are blind, some people will be able still to recognise when it's dark and light for other people who are blind, they may not have any sense of time either due to severed nerves from an injury and find life even more difficult because light plays such an important part of our bio clock.

Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
can i interest you in some "goop"?

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Hink wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:06 pm
Actually I saw something on the news just the night before last...ever hear of blue light therapy? Typically it was used in the past for skin conditions, but they also found that it even helps brain injuries. Here's a quote from one site
Yeah.. I remember seeing something on tv about that side where indeed blue light has a positive effect for particular individuals. SAD is something that affects us all to some degree but particularly for those closer to the poles of the earth...

There is also a link between the perception of time and light and that of the age of an individual. The older you get, the slower you get at predicting time, and if you were put in an underground and near dark bunker for a week without natural light, your perception of time would go completely out of whack by several hours, and of course the psychological effects one would experience would drain the energy and enthusiasm for things that you would normally enjoy whilst under such conditions, and quite literally send you insane and probably a lot quicker without any human contact. With that, we naturally sleep more in the winter months, more so than what we do in the summer and it's because of the amount of light we receive.

The more light we receive during the day, the greater the deepness of sleep we have at night. The less light we get during the day.. the more we find it difficult to get good sleep and that of which feels like jet lag. We have roughly at 24 hour clock cycle, it's very easy to have it disrupted as the seasons change so those who live closer to the poles, and particularly young people in those locations...are those where there is a mortality rate which is higher than those closer the equator. For those with ADHD, blue light has a more than significant impact than those without the condition so whilst blue light has it's benefits in some ways, there is a conflict there where that would need to be balanced correctly to be effective I'd imagine.

And if we don't sleep right, we don't remember things properly which hinders one's objectives...
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Kongru wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:31 pm
lwj wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:27 pm
THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:53 am Beyond our ears and eyes.. there are other aspects in where using DAWs.. can have adverse effects on one's body...
That's why the rule is:
4 hours in the gym for every 30 minutes on the DAW.
I have a similar rule but it's:
4 hours on KvR for every 30 minutes on the DAW.
I am a strong apologist of that rule. Proven by my post count...

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Good job I haven't got one of these 'DAW' thingies then.

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donkey tugger wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:33 pm Good job I haven't got one of these 'DAW' thingies then.
dont peeple jus wak in and out of ya owse mate?
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THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:25 pm
Hink wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:06 pm
Actually I saw something on the news just the night before last...ever hear of blue light therapy? Typically it was used in the past for skin conditions, but they also found that it even helps brain injuries. Here's a quote from one site
Yeah.. I remember seeing something on tv about that side where indeed blue light has a positive effect for particular individuals. SAD is something that affects us all to some degree but particularly for those closer to the poles of the earth...

There is also a link between the perception of time and light and that of the age of an individual. The older you get, the slower you get at predicting time, and if you were put in an underground and near dark bunker for a week without natural light, your perception of time would go completely out of whack by several hours, and of course the psychological effects one would experience would drain the energy and enthusiasm for things that you would normally enjoy whilst under such conditions, and quite literally send you insane and probably a lot quicker without any human contact. With that, we naturally sleep more in the winter months, more so than what we do in the summer and it's because of the amount of light we receive.

The more light we receive during the day, the greater the deepness of sleep we have at night. The less light we get during the day.. the more we find it difficult to get good sleep and that of which feels like jet lag. We have roughly at 24 hour clock cycle, it's very easy to have it disrupted as the seasons change so those who live closer to the poles, and particularly young people in those locations...are those where there is a mortality rate which is higher than those closer the equator. For those with ADHD, blue light has a more than significant impact than those without the condition so whilst blue light has it's benefits in some ways, there is a conflict there where that would need to be balanced correctly to be effective I'd imagine.

And if we don't sleep right, we don't remember things properly which hinders one's objectives...
why are you limiting sensory input to vision and hearing?
can you think of any other way a deaf and blind person, without being informed, that its dark or light?
go on...

which sense do you think they might employ?
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vurt wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:06 pm
donkey tugger wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:33 pm Good job I haven't got one of these 'DAW' thingies then.
dont peeple jus wak in and out of ya owse mate?
Very good. I have on occasion been known to ridicule the natives of (the self-styled) god's own country on this....
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I read some news saying that another study shows brightness of light to be way more impactful on sleep patterns than color (apparently calling into question the impact of color at all).
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