Phrasebox feature request
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- KVRAF
- 6279 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Just picked up Phrasebox. As a Seaboard user I'd love to see some support for MPE even if it's just passthough so I can use my MPE synths with Phrasebox.
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- KVRAF
- 2454 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
I started a thread about Phrasebox and MPE. I'm reposting here (sorry for repost!) in an effort to merge that information here. I'll close that other thread soon. Sorry for the confusion, I hadn't seen that other discussion...
I wrote Adam from Venomode and asked about the possibility of trying to implement MPE in some form and his response is below. We welcome any feedback or ideas about this! Very excited at the possibility and sounds like it might be possible. Even it's a matter of just passing through MPE data or drawing MPE controller curves within the interface. But sounds like even more creative possibilities might be possible.
"I’ve never really dealt with MPE other than reading the technicals of it, so this will be a new adventure for me! As I understand it, MPE basically sends each note on a separate channel along with the extra controller data, but otherwise it’s just standard MIDI?
As Phrasebox can already output each row’s note on a separate MIDI channel, I could just update the controller area to have a unique set of envelopes for each row. This should cover MPE in regards to generating it within the plugin (see screenshot - there’s a new set of buttons 1-8). You can then craft a set of CC data for pressure / pitch etc. for each note, which would allow playing MPE from a non-MPE keyboard and from chords in the DAW.
With regards playing MPE data directly from a keyboard, I think a simple passthrough would work well. Enabling the MPE button (see screenshot) will pass through the pressure / pitch etc. for that note, but modify the channel number to match whatever Phrasebox is sending the generated note on."
Then later after I sent him a great explanation of MPE from Roger Linn:
"Thanks for the Roger Linn link. I’ve gone down the rabbit hole with reading technical docs, and it looks like it’s mostly just multi-channel MIDI, with a few quirks regarding setting up ‘zones’ and ‘pitch bend ranges’ etc. I think we should be able to look at trying to add MPE to Phrasebox if you don’t mind testing a bit as we go. Worst case is it’ll have to be a feature of version 2 (a free update later in the year) if it’ll cause compatibility issues in the current version.
I’ve got a couple of smaller feature requests I’m hoping to add this week, so I’ll probably start taking a deeper look next week."
I wrote Adam from Venomode and asked about the possibility of trying to implement MPE in some form and his response is below. We welcome any feedback or ideas about this! Very excited at the possibility and sounds like it might be possible. Even it's a matter of just passing through MPE data or drawing MPE controller curves within the interface. But sounds like even more creative possibilities might be possible.
"I’ve never really dealt with MPE other than reading the technicals of it, so this will be a new adventure for me! As I understand it, MPE basically sends each note on a separate channel along with the extra controller data, but otherwise it’s just standard MIDI?
As Phrasebox can already output each row’s note on a separate MIDI channel, I could just update the controller area to have a unique set of envelopes for each row. This should cover MPE in regards to generating it within the plugin (see screenshot - there’s a new set of buttons 1-8). You can then craft a set of CC data for pressure / pitch etc. for each note, which would allow playing MPE from a non-MPE keyboard and from chords in the DAW.
With regards playing MPE data directly from a keyboard, I think a simple passthrough would work well. Enabling the MPE button (see screenshot) will pass through the pressure / pitch etc. for that note, but modify the channel number to match whatever Phrasebox is sending the generated note on."
Then later after I sent him a great explanation of MPE from Roger Linn:
"Thanks for the Roger Linn link. I’ve gone down the rabbit hole with reading technical docs, and it looks like it’s mostly just multi-channel MIDI, with a few quirks regarding setting up ‘zones’ and ‘pitch bend ranges’ etc. I think we should be able to look at trying to add MPE to Phrasebox if you don’t mind testing a bit as we go. Worst case is it’ll have to be a feature of version 2 (a free update later in the year) if it’ll cause compatibility issues in the current version.
I’ve got a couple of smaller feature requests I’m hoping to add this week, so I’ll probably start taking a deeper look next week."
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- KVRist
- 133 posts since 3 Sep, 2005 from Venezuela
Phrasebox is an amazing tool in many senses, I use it mainly for ideas generation that overpasses and enforce my own piano playing skills, and that task get done in a remarkable way.
I would like to know a bit more about MPE and what it should to do that actually Phrasebox can't without it. I can't understand that so clearly until now. Thanks.
I would like to know a bit more about MPE and what it should to do that actually Phrasebox can't without it. I can't understand that so clearly until now. Thanks.
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One of my old demos: (Scarbee and Overloud)
https://bit.ly/3mDq0D3
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 4 Jun, 2018
Hi folks, how are people finding Phrasebox in 2022? It seems very powerful, is this the most active thread? My biggest request is different step lengths for different note/modifier lanes to allow for some polymeric fun and evolving patterns.
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- KVRAF
- 5710 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1
I need to wake mine up; thanks for reminder.
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- KVRAF
- 2454 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
yeh, same here!
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- Banned
- 1646 posts since 4 Aug, 2017
BTW, the new Scaler 2.7 adds multi-instrument output for doing divisi:
https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler ... ideo/11931
https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler ... ideo/11931