I need to upgrade my monitors and headphones. advice?

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jzero wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:12 am
Passing Bye wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:25 pm You can hear difference on 4" monitor that goes to 60hz, try running sine wave on 20hz and come back here.
Kali LP-6s have 6.5"woofers. While they are rated from 45Hz-21kHz , I can hear down to 20hz. Per your suggestion I've confirmed with a sine wave. Of course I had to krank the volume to hear it.

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Not that this matters, what matters is that they're great monitors for $150 each... The Kali peops are ex-patriot JBL designers. They know what they're doing.
Of course they don't roll off immediately, but that's in no way accurate representation of that frequency range.

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My experience with akg k701 was not very good. I had them plugged into an M-audio soundcard and there was almost no bass, they also distorted the low end easily. I also heard one needs an expensive preamp to make them sound actually good.

Replaced them with Mackie mc250, these sound 100 times better here.
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Passing Bye wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:16 am Of course they don't roll off immediately, but that's in no way accurate representation of that frequency range.
1. I never said they were flat to 20 hz, only that I can hear a difference when high pass filtering at 30hz. I find that impressive for an inexpensive monitor.
2. The picture is not a speaker plot. It simply shows my synth was outputing 20hz. The two different real-time analyzers are measuring the daw output. They both show data in the 20 to 30hz range with the center frequency at 20 hz. You would have to trust me that the signal is audible.

Back on topic, for the OP: try some Kalis!

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jzero wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:41 pm
Passing Bye wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:16 am Of course they don't roll off immediately, but that's in no way accurate representation of that frequency range.
1. I never said they were flat to 20 hz, only that I can hear a difference when high pass filtering at 30hz. I find that impressive for an inexpensive monitor.
2. The picture is not a speaker plot. It simply shows my synth was outputing 20hz. The two different real-time analyzers are measuring the daw output. They both show data in the 20 to 30hz range with the center frequency at 20 hz. You would have to trust me that the signal is audible.

Back on topic, for the OP: try some Kalis!
1. Again, you can hear that difference on most monitors, it's nothing to go by
2. I'm aware of that, but you can't rely on that info that easily, it's barely audible on normal listening and mixing levels, imagine you have 6db's dip in 200hz range and you decide to crank up volume for 6db's to compensate, you didn't solved anything, there still 6db's dip on 200hz just your overall volume is 6db higher, imagine mixing 30hz range and having to compensate for -/+ 10dbs in your head, it's not impossible, you can learn how much is enough, but than why not buy monitor that you can trust easily.

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I’ve had dozens of solid headphones over the years then ended up buying a pair of the focal spirit professionals as I read a lot of good things about them in mixing forums and they were half price as the model had been discontinued..... they arrived faulty as the left ear did not work at all, the focal distributer In Canada replaced them for me free of charge with the newer model the focal “listen professional”. They are simply the best headphones I had ever used and I have since purchased another two of their Higher end models which sound stunning. Anyways I would not buy another set producing or mixing on headphones , the listen profession are built for this, and they do it perfectly ....neutral response and the separation in the stereo field was something I had never heard before.

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Some things I've learned over the years:

- 8" woofers are non-negotiable, or otherwise a sub. You really can't hear stuff under 100hz properly, and you won't be able to feel what your music sounds like on a proper home stereo, car stereo, or in a club. I learned this the hard way listening to people online.
- You see Yamaha HS8's everywhere for a reason. They're great, easy to acquire, not too expensive.
- If you're on a budget, used Event 20/20s are easy to get and usually less than $200.
- Nobody has beat Beyerdynamic DT 770 for <$300 closed-back headphones to my knowledge
- Open-back headphones are a bigger playing field—I quite like the classic Sennheiser (HD 600), but you should do your own research
- Positioning monitors is a hard problem depending on how your room is set up. You might end up spending $300 on that alone, so factor that in.

I worked with a very small pair of Genelecs (in a research lab) for many years and they were incredible. I like my HS8s, but I miss that clarity.

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