Imposter Syndrome and lack of musical production

[Shabdahbriah]

[book marking]

[BertKoor]

There's been a lot of studies of our learning process. This is one model we have come up with:



If you're in stage 2 (knowing there's room for improvement) that's good!
It's a big step up from stage 1. But is your knowledge half full or half empty?
It's difficult to switch that view! So encouragement and approval has to be given.

Going to stage 3 is a gradual process. You might have arrived there without knowing.

Being in stage 4 is probably the most dangerous: doing without thinking or validating decisions.

[Michael L]

There's been a lot of studies of our learning process. This is one model we have come up with:

I don't understand how how one can cycle from competence back to incompetence.

The model in your link makes more sense to me:

Hierarchy of Competence.png

The four stages are:

Unconscious incompetence
The individual does not understand or know how to do something and does not necessarily recognize the deficit. They may deny the usefulness of the skill. The individual must recognize their own incompetence, and the value of the new skill, before moving on to the next stage. The length of time an individual spends in this stage depends on the strength of the stimulus to learn.

Conscious incompetence
Though the individual does not understand or know how to do something, they recognize the deficit, as well as the value of a new skill in addressing the deficit. The making of mistakes can be integral to the learning process at this stage.

Conscious competence
The individual understands or knows how to do something. However, demonstrating the skill or knowledge requires concentration. It may be broken down into steps, and there is heavy conscious involvement in executing the new skill.

Unconscious competence
The individual has had so much practice with a skill that it has become "second nature" and can be performed easily. As a result, the skill can be performed while executing another task. The individual may be able to teach it to others, depending upon how and when it was learned.

[middle_color]

simple definition

Imposter syndrome can be defined as a collection of feelings of inadequacy that persist despite evident success. 'Imposters' suffer from chronic self-doubt and a sense of intellectual fraudulence that override any feelings of success or external proof of their competence

I have been told by doctors, therapists and counselors that I can be self sabotaging due to a fear of success...what is fear of success but Imposter Syndrome, I rarely finish anything.

Does anyone (else) feel this may hinder their musical production?

In my opinion, one syndrome or another, the key to music production is constant practice, aka discipline.
Get used to finish music, then it will be easier to finish next song.
I was able to consistently finish 10-12 songs a year, which is not bad for hobby that i have 1-2 hours not even everyday. Some of those songs i am not proud of, that's OK.

[BertKoor]

I don't understand how how one can cycle from competence back to incompetence.

Since you're applying knowledge unconsciously, the danger is that you don't are aware that there are things you don't know. There's always more to learn, new techniques & methodologies may have evolved. Not knowing there are better ways to do things than how it was taught you a decade ago can make you incompetent again.

Hence it's a circle, not a pyramid.

[Michael L]

I don't understand how how one can cycle from competence back to incompetence.

Since you're applying knowledge unconsciously, the danger is that you don't are aware that there are things you don't know. There's always more to learn, new techniques & methodologies may have evolved. Not knowing there are better ways to do things than how it was taught you a decade ago can make you incompetent again.
Hence it's a circle, not a pyramid.

Thank you. Now I better understand where you are coming from.

OTOH, I see the unconscious as a safe place and source of wisdom, and learning as a process of developing one's own voice, vision, and way of creating. That process is more like the pyramid in your link.

[Hink]

in my many years here I have seen many threads and posts about people having lost it or struggling...surely one size does not fit all, but this could benefit some people.

[justin3am]

simple definition

Imposter syndrome can be defined as a collection of feelings of inadequacy that persist despite evident success. 'Imposters' suffer from chronic self-doubt and a sense of intellectual fraudulence that override any feelings of success or external proof of their competence

I have been told by doctors, therapists and counselors that I can be self sabotaging due to a fear of success...what is fear of success but Imposter Syndrome, I rarely finish anything.

Does anyone (else) feel this may hinder their musical production?

Yes, absolutely. I'm not sure if it comes from a fear of success but definitely self-doubt. I'm always afraid that folks will notice that music doesn't come naturally to me.

[Dirtgrain]

[Hink]

simple definition

Imposter syndrome can be defined as a collection of feelings of inadequacy that persist despite evident success. 'Imposters' suffer from chronic self-doubt and a sense of intellectual fraudulence that override any feelings of success or external proof of their competence

I have been told by doctors, therapists and counselors that I can be self sabotaging due to a fear of success...what is fear of success but Imposter Syndrome, I rarely finish anything.

Does anyone (else) feel this may hinder their musical production?

Yes, absolutely. I'm not sure if it comes from a fear of success but definitely self-doubt. I'm always afraid that folks will notice that music doesn't come naturally to me.

I use to feel like people would burst my bubble, and actually once in 1983 I so blew an audition (totally out classed by a guy with a sweet rig), I thought that was it...I went out and bought a Marshall head after that (100 watt plexi, no master but we did the cali hotrod and added one), that is when I cut into my 72 tele custom for the first time to add a duncan invader and well, I learned a new coping mechanism GAS

[dayjob]

we're on a big rock floating in space. there's a lot of galaxies in the universe and in many places there are clusters of galaxies very close together. the milky way, for better or worse, is not one of those galaxies that's in a tightly packed cluster.

what does this mean? perhaps those clusters of galaxies are full of life. we'll never know. we're in the ass end of the universe out here trying to hold it down while we absolutely know and are aware of the FACT that some day we will die and everyone we know and have ever known will die and after a lot of time the sun will go super nova and destroy this very planet where all of human history thus far has taken place.

with this knowledge and with the knowledge of our very limited time on this temporary rock in the ass end of the universe.. what should we do with our time here?

i'm not saying neurosis and self doubt and imposter syndrome and anything else aren't very real things that are part of the human condition.. just saying that you'll only have to tolerate them and consider them for a very minute amount of time compared to the oblivion that exists. everything has an end. so, before you get to that end maybe create some very minor gravitational waves.. flutters to send throughout time and space because it very likely doesn't matter and absolutely no one is keeping track or keeping score except perhaps gravity and light and some part of physics and so on and so forth.

I think it's healthy to stop and think for a second, sometimes, when experiencing something extraordinary, if it is an earned experience because it reminds of not being entitled to it and how you got there and how many people do not get there so you should feel good about it and cherish it because it might not happen again. but don't dwell on it because you might ruin the moment.

or maybe i shouldn't read "A Conspiracy Against the Human Race" again.

also, all bets are off if we gain the ability to upload our human consciousnesses into a vast web of data. then the equation changes.

[vurt]

the trick is making others think you know what you are doing, regardless whether you do or not.

fake confidence!
just don't crumble once you reach the operating theatre with the scalpel in hand! too late then.

[Hink]

do you not see that could easily be a root of imposter syndrome? The fear of getting caught when you're faking?

[Dirtgrain]

the trick is making others think you know what you are doing, regardless whether you do or not.

My dancing technique! All you have to do is get the right look on your face, a bit serious, but with eyes almost closed, brows scrunched a bit as if you are eating something so damn delicious. You could be standing still, and people would think you are a great dancer--just if you get the face right.

[Hink]

7 states have drawn up laws barring me from dancing