Submission Audio Flatline clipper
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Another obvious one to shoot it against would be KClip3 which has a "crisp" mode explicitly based on ADC clipping.
As far as disingenuous sales talk goes, this is a product release which claims that its competitors are non-existent or inadequate but refuses to specify how/why its implementation is different. IK do this a lot.
As far as disingenuous sales talk goes, this is a product release which claims that its competitors are non-existent or inadequate but refuses to specify how/why its implementation is different. IK do this a lot.
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- KVRian
- 1073 posts since 8 Mar, 2009
I'll try that one out as well thanksimrae wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:04 pm Another obvious one to shoot it against would be KClip3 which has a "crisp" mode explicitly based on ADC clipping.
As far as disingenuous sales talk goes, this is a product release which claims that its competitors are non-existent or inadequate but refuses to specify how/why its implementation is different. IK do this a lot.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
it's like behringer released a clone of Moog and decided to charge 3x as much as the original for it lolTIMT wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:53 pm my only takeaway is i am really not a fan of OVC128. it epitomises what i generally don't like about clipping ITB for the most part. I'm not claiming this is doing anything unique, it's mostly the how it shapes around the sound that makes this one special for me, and i even ran it through an oscilloscope and tried a couple of different waveshapers(Fruity Waveshaper, Trash, MWaveshaper) to mimick its transfer curve, and whilst it does just look like a generic squaring off of the input, the "secret" must be in the interpolation between the transfer curves points on the X-Y input and it doesn't seem to be any of the common ones either
Saying all that though..if they want people to drop this amount of coinage on a clipper they might wanna consider to at least get the aliasing under control with a much more suitable amount of oversampling
here's a quick comparison:
https://imgur.com/a/trvE0CU
you're paying twice as much for lack of oversampling... maybe you just like the sound of aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
and as a bonus, here's flatline cancelling to -52.5dB with logic's built in clipper in bitcrusher:
https://i.imgur.com/R2Rxhrd.png
but hey, you do you.
https://i.imgur.com/R2Rxhrd.png
but hey, you do you.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
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- KVRian
- 1073 posts since 8 Mar, 2009
Ignoring your holier than thou, condescending tone for a second. -52dB is not some kind of accomplishment in terms of a null. That isn't even 16bit dynamic range, so it's a "gotcha" to nobody but yourselfPloki wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:03 pm and as a bonus, here's flatline cancelling to -52.5dB with logic's built in clipper in bitcrusher:
https://i.imgur.com/R2Rxhrd.png
but hey, you do you.
But hey, lets be real for a second, perhaps you just like smeared transients from FIR oversampling "but hey, You do you"
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Yeah sorry for that and thanks for looking past it.TIMT wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:25 pm
Ignoring your holier than thou, condescending tone for a second. -52dB is not some kind of accomplishment in terms of a null. That isn't even 16bit dynamic range, so it's a "gotcha" to nobody but yourself
But hey, lets be real for a second, perhaps you just like smeared transients from FIR oversampling "but hey, You do you"![]()
Well, either that or aliasing. pick your poison. I prefer minimalphase to linear any day of the week, and "transient smearing" in the top octave is less problematic for me than crud accumulated by aliasing.
Again. Subjective.
modern masters are squashed to the point that bottom 8 bits in a 16bit signal are effectively "1" 90% of the time (dumbed down, but also true), so knocking it -52 from the get go without even trying is pretty good.
(We can do a blind test of a few modern masters truncated to 10bits when they're at the loudest parts. You can null them and what you get out is noise at -60dB FS)
I seriously don't see anything special nor good in Flatline - maybe if you ask Aleksey if he can make OVC-128 oversampling optional you can get "Flatline" for 1/3 of the money.
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 13 May, 2016
I waffled nonstop over getting Flatline for an entire day. I watched every YouTube review I possibly could, and to me, Flatline had a way of smoothing and unifying the mix without wrecking the dynamics, which is something I've never been quite able to achieve.
Flatline has a 7-day free trial, so I figured, why not give it a whirl.
Not only did it do EXACTLY what I wanted and unified my whole mix without coloring or unbalancing it, my ears were opened to all the other holes that were present.
I'm beyond thrilled. Granted, I am an enthusiast and have no experience with the pro-grade gear it claims to emulate, but it finally allowed me to get the sound I always had in my head.
Flatline has a 7-day free trial, so I figured, why not give it a whirl.
Not only did it do EXACTLY what I wanted and unified my whole mix without coloring or unbalancing it, my ears were opened to all the other holes that were present.
I'm beyond thrilled. Granted, I am an enthusiast and have no experience with the pro-grade gear it claims to emulate, but it finally allowed me to get the sound I always had in my head.
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 15 Jan, 2021
Turns out in hard clipping mode, 4 different companies PERFECTLY NULL...FLATLINE, boz Little Clipper, free clip, and gclip.
Proved with a null test with both a sine sweep and song.
Crazy how clever marketing and a fancy GUI might influence what we hear when mixing music! Hope you find this interesting.
Proved with a null test with both a sine sweep and song.
Crazy how clever marketing and a fancy GUI might influence what we hear when mixing music! Hope you find this interesting.
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- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
I don't think the premise of the video is accurate when it declares that expensive ADC clipping is hard clipping. I thought the hype started with soft-clipping Lavry converters?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6780 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
welcome to the balkansDPhil wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:55 pm Well played marketing stunt with the FabFilter UI clone. But that is everything good to say about this plugin imo.

