this is how a mixer should be

[antic604]

what matters is the peak meter, from what I see most do not understand the Gain stage

not for nothing there are so many bad mixes

So happy you joined KvR to save our mixes!

One could say you're our "saviour", but that's confusing during Christmas, so let's stick to a "hero".

[Reefius]

Gain staging is done before and between plugins, not after them. Since there is nothing between that last gain knob and the fader, there is absolutely no point in having that knob there.

If it was necessary to have a gain knob right before the fader then most DAWs would have it implemented already. Not even an SSL desk has a gain knob right before the fader, so according to your logic an SSL desk is a toy for n00bs?

[electronic115]

So happy you joined KvR to save our mixes!

One could say you're our "saviour", but that's confusing during Christmas, so let's stick to a "hero".

you are not forced to mix like the pros, I just said what the pros say

you can keep mixing like a newbie.

[Reefius]

I just said what the pros say

I think you've watched too many Youtube video's of so called 'pros'.

[electronic115]

Not even an SSL desk has a gain knob right before the fader, so according to your logic an SSL desk is a toy for n00bs?

I am talking about meters not gain knob

but here your answer, maybe you still don't see the two meters

[antic604]

I am talking about meters not gain knob

For the n-th time. No one opposes the meter. Everyone say the last gain knob is not necessary. Fix your goddamn picture - like you already did for 'peak meter' labels - and be done with this nonsense.

[electronic115]

I still don't understand what bothers these people

if you don't like my mixer, keep using yours

I am not forcing anyone

[bmanic]

With all the current crop of "analogue modeled" plugins, I very much agree with the OP. Gain staging plays a huge role in keeping the audio under tight control and not causing too many problems within the mix.

However, I don't think it needs to be a part of the actual mixer. I'd rather have it implemented the same way Reaper implements it's Wet/Dry knob for every inserted plugin. If every inserted plugin had it's own in/out "trim" knob (which is automatically compensated for) then it would make gain staging super powerful and easy to do.

It could also be beneficial to have a tiny little peak + rms level meter per plugin. It could be as simple as a little number box that shows the current peak and rms levels, updating every half a second or so, showing the highest values for each.

[Reefius]

but here your answer, maybe you still don't see the two meters

Count the faders on that desk, then count the meters
It is still one meter per channel. The meters are in pairs of two on top of each other. First 2 meters are for channel 1 and 2, next 2 meters for channel 3 and 4, and so on. But still only one meter per channel.

[AnX]

I dont think the bad mixes are down to bad mixers..

[electronic115]

I'm going to see how I create my mixer in Reaper,

I leave here the idea, if you don't like it, just continue with your mixes

[xbitz]

Sonalksis has a free one

easier to use that one as a reference https://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.html

- Long-throw fader
- Ultra accurate metering
- Multiple metering ballistic types
- Peak and RMS readouts
- Pre/Post metering options
- Selectable Pan-Law
- 'Fine' mode for sensitive calibration of the master fader
- Mono-compatible for use in tracking situations
- VST and Audio Unit (32 and 64 bit)

[electronic115]

Sonalksis has a free one

easier to use that one as a reference https://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.html

- Long-throw fader
- Ultra accurate metering
- Multiple metering ballistic types
- Peak and RMS readouts
- Pre/Post metering options
- Selectable Pan-Law
- 'Fine' mode for sensitive calibration of the master fader
- Mono-compatible for use in tracking situations
- VST and Audio Unit (32 and 64 bit)

interesting I'll try it thanks

[antic604]

With all the current crop of "analogue modeled" plugins, I very much agree with the OP. Gain staging plays a huge role in keeping the audio under tight control and not causing too many problems within the mix.

Not a single person in this thread disputes importance and value of gain staging and proper level monitoring, though... But it's not necessary to have a "special" OP-designed mixer strip to achieve this, contrary to what he claims.

[antic604]

interesting I'll try it thanks

Man, you ARE pretty clueless aren't you? It's a basic gain plugin, like any DAW has and like there's dozens out there free & paid ones. What's "interesting" about this??