Realistic electric guitar 'feedback' effect?

[vurt]

speakin' of eBow, jacking the effects on SonicCouture Xbow guitars (gots more than one distortion type) got me a sound everybody assumed was from feedback.

the Softube is limited but when people tell you about 'convincingly in a mix' they're just speaking for themselves, dose o' salt time

Forgot about that one! Reminds me, been meaning to do some sampling of my TC Aeon for a bit, then making a basic Kontakt instrument, probably one set with, and one without vibrato.

spent last night doing similar for a module.
first test run...
http://www.viablehybrid.com/vurt/testtube/ebowed.mp3

bit messy as it's 5 layers

[Unaspected]

Automating mid band EQ ahead of the amp is certainly one way to do it. You could do this after the fact or tie it to an expression pedal to modulate whilst you perform.

Or, my favoured method is simply to use a third monitor speaker, placed nearer the performance. Of course, you could just move one of your current monitors but you will have to be sure to remove any backing track that you might be playing to from that speaker - so that only the guitar signal is being produced by your "cab".

Otherwise, Softube's Acoustic Feedback is an interesting device.

[gaggle of hermits]

i don't think softube do themselves many favours implying in the manual that it can work as a fire-and-forget feedback plugin that can autodetect feedback situations. in practice you really want to ride the feedback knob with a midi controller and probably the wet/dry mix as well. they do mention feeding it midi but treat it more as an afterthought. i've got results that sound reasonable out of it but it does take some massaging as though you're moving around with the instrument or working on a volume pedal.

that said, i like either predatohm or ohmicide for feedback experiments or the high-q bandpass filter trick in parallel.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

i don't think softube do themselves many favours implying in the manual that it can work as a fire-and-forget feedback plugin that can autodetect feedback situations. in practice you really want to ride the feedback knob with a midi controller and probably the wet/dry mix as well. they do mention feeding it midi but treat it more as an afterthought. i've got results that sound reasonable out of it but it does take some massaging as though you're moving around with the instrument or working on a volume pedal.

that said, i like either predatohm or ohmicide for feedback experiments or the high-q bandpass filter trick in parallel.

How are you using predatohm for feedback? I have that somewhere, but I don't remember it offering feedback?

[gaggle of hermits]

How are you using predatohm for feedback? I have that somewhere, but I don't remember it offering feedback?

the feedback amount and frequency controls are at the bottom left - it's handled before the bandsplitter. to get usable results you really need to ride the feedback amount knob at the very least - it gets wild really fast.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

How are you using predatohm for feedback? I have that somewhere, but I don't remember it offering feedback?

the feedback amount and frequency controls are at the bottom left - it's handled before the bandsplitter. to get usable results you really need to ride the feedback amount knob at the very least - it gets wild really fast.

Ooh! Had not noticed! Ace, I'll have a play. Thanks for that!

[NAD]

I've used both the Softube and BlueCat plugins and I think they're both good. However, they both require extensive automation to sound convincing. Expect spending a lot time "massaging" envelope points.

Another good option is feeding a small speaker with the monitor signal of your guitar (i.e. including your amp sim but not the rest of the mix obviously). Crank up the speaker and play with your pickups right up against it. Alternatively, find a very small combo amp and split your signal before going into the interface. The problem with this method is that you obviously can't do it without making noise that neighbors and such might hear, albeit much less than a fully cranked amp rig. The advantage is that the result will be natural organic feedback baked into the DI guitar signal rather than artificial feedback tacked on top.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

I've used both the Softube and BlueCat plugins and I think they're both good. However, they both require extensive automation to sound convincing. Expect spending a lot time "massaging" envelope points.

Another good option is feeding a small speaker with the monitor signal of your guitar (i.e. including your amp sim but not the rest of the mix obviously). Crank up the speaker and play with your pickups right up against it. Alternatively, find a very small combo amp and split your signal before going into the interface. The problem with this method is that you obviously can't do it without making noise that neighbors and such might hear, albeit much less than a fully cranked amp rig. The advantage is that the result will be natural organic feedback baked into the DI guitar signal rather than artificial feedback tacked on top.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

I've always found using a small speaker/monitors to give wierd results due to the different speaker/string interplay you get from a small monitor vs regular cab/amp. It does (obviously) work, but in my experience not always in a way that I've enjoyed. If you're faking the sound of an amp cranked super loud to give a recording some urgency/power/edge then for me it hasn't ever really worked well.

All this stuff massively depends on what you're trying to achieve though.

'Tasteful' or musical (bleurgh) feedback?

Tail on the end of power chord?

Massive, uncontrollable squealing (early JAMC)?

The sound of standing too near a cranked amp whilst playing the song, so feedback is happening between all chords?

I guess each of those has a 'best solution' that is probably different!

[Dirk Diggler]

I'll vote for Ebow or the T.C. version. Another hardware solution that works great, check out the Digitech FreqOut pedal.

I've never had any software come close to emulating amp feedback well.

[escalona]

I agree with the above comment, that Digitech pedal does it well.
Between the Softube and the Blue Cat, I prefer the Blue Cat. But neither one does it a good as I like it.
I most commonly record with amps in the room and mics, thus using natural feedback. But if I am using only amp sims to record a quick idea, I use the digitech freqout or an older Boss GT100 I have around (there is way to get feedback out of that box). Since I got the Digitech pedal, I stopped using the softube and blue cat vsts.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

Thanks to this thread, I've ordered the TC E-bow knock-off, even though I used to have an E-bow and didn't really like it or use it.

Thanks for nothing, everybody.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

Also, I've been trying the Predatohm feedback and can confirm that it's pretty good at uncontrolled/loud amp in a small room type bonkers feedback, although you'd prossibly want to record a performance while tweaking the plugin or automate it. Sounds good though! Squeally!

[Burillo]

i have this thing: http://www.vibesware.com/

it's pretty great.

[donkey tugger]

i have this thing: http://www.vibesware.com/

it's pretty great.

Ahh, very clever!!!

[vurt]

get a dan electro free speech.
its shite as a talk box because all it does is feedback

nice on synths, no feedback for obvious reasons