Cubase License Poll

[PAK]

How about an option “I don’t ****ing care what licensing method my DAW uses because it has nothing to do with how I make music in it” ?

Oh yeah? It's x years later. You want to revisit that song you made. Maybe it's to remix. Maybe you got a surround sound system and it's time to do a surround mix. Maybe it's just to see what sound or effect was used, because it'd be exactly right for something else.

You go to edit the file with the software you paid a perpetual license for, but Yamaha's Cloud service doesn't exist, or is now demanding a new fee for access. Now please tell me how it doesn't impact "anything"..

[vurt]

How about an option “I don’t ****ing care what licensing method my DAW uses because it has nothing to do with how I make music in it” ?

Oh yeah? It's x years later. You want to revisit that song you made. Maybe it's to remix. Maybe you got a surround sound system and it's time to do a surround mix. Maybe it's just to see what sound or effect was used, because it'd be exactly right for something else.

You go to edit the file with the software you paid a perpetual license for, but Yamaha's Cloud service doesn't exist, or is now demanding a new fee for access. Now please tell me how it doesn't impact "anything"..

the past is gone, fleeting moments.
while inspired to do the remix, just do something new
live life moving forward!

[PAK]

the past is gone, fleeting moments.
while inspired to do the remix, just do something new
live life moving forward!

There is only the present. The future merely a concept, and the past lessons learned or ignored. But good to know you were the one who stopped Roland from doing those analogue reissues..

Also not so easy when it's someone elses files. "I'm sorry, I can't access them. Yamaha were sued out of business after that container ship, full of grand pianos, caused the whole Godzilla / tsunami incident"

[vurt]

don't bring godzilla in to it.
he's not to blame for the death of music.
that was ghidora.

[_leras]

This is a troll poll, because in now way having a change of authentication a good reason to change to another DAW.

[vurt]

This is a troll poll, because in now way having a change of authentication a good reason to change to another DAW.

it also has no fish option.

[kritikon]

This is a troll poll, because in now way having a change of authentication a good reason to change to another DAW.

Definitely NOT true. It very likely won't make me personally change my DAW, but I definitely have been in positions where change of authentification would have rendered it useless. I've had a studio in a cellar in the past with no internet connection, using a desktop that I definitely would not have been happy having to disconnect and drag upstairs to connect to the net to authenticate my DAW on, and it would have been expensive to get internet down there - which I didn't want to do at the time anyway. There is good reason for not wanting to have internet on your DAW machine - just because you use internet doesn't mean everyone else does. I currently live somewhere that internet connection cannot be relied on - we don't all live in cities with fibre y'know. If I was doing this as a living I'd be mightily pissed off if Steinberg told me I had to rely on internet to keep Cubase working - because I cannot rely on internet here. I'm on VDSL, which is dodgy at best - we have regular dropouts, the speed goes up and down like a whore's drawers, and we likely won't get fibre for a few years yet - was planned for last year and guess what - no sight of it. Jeez, it's not that long since we actually got reliable mobile reception here, so even 4G is a recent thing. Last year, if my net went down I couldn't even use 4G as a backup.

I can very easily imagine people using laptops with USB ports already used up that if they had to use another USB port for a dongle - would make it if not unusable, then incredibly uncomfortable. And if a DAW changed from internet to dongle - yes I can see them changing DAW.

We don't all have the same set-up, we don't all have the same facilities and services. It won't stop me using Cubase, but I'm really not happy if I have to rely on internet to authenticate it. I can see a scenario where the wrong authentification would actually stop me using a DAW. Very easily in fact.

Yeah there's hyperbole and angry men, but I think you fail to recognise that for a minority, it's a big deal potentially what authentification is used. I can manage if they go internet authorisation but I much prefer a dongle - if the net drops out I'm sweet and carry on making music. If the mobile coverage goes I'm sweet. If the power drops out then any authentication is moot - by the way, we have regular power outs here in NZ which is supposedly 1st world (a side issue...but again, don't assume we all have the same facilities), but - a dongle just works until your dongle doesn' t work. Internet only works until your internet doesn't work...

[jancivil]

what tf does wanting to revisit old files have to do with the decision. if you want to keep working, you keep it authorized this way or the other.
I don't have any project files before 2018 when I started uploading to google drive. I found it necessary once because I'd made hasty decisions originally.
First world problem next level. Finish the things or punt.

[fedexnman]

I picked Carrots ... I like em raw with ranch dressing . Actually Steinberg had a Lite DAW that was kind of interesting can't remember the name of it and no it's not Cubase Lite . If it adopts the NO dongle thing I may demo it .

[felis]

They made it clear a lot of times now that the eLicenser servers will continue to run for older products. How long, I don't think that even Steinberg will be able to tell you. Probably as long as the grumpy old farts with their 10 year old versions will keep using them.

Cubase 11 is one year old: https://www.soundonsound.com/news/cubas ... -available

so it will be nine more years before the grumpy old farts are still trying to use a 10 year old program.

[cptgone]

Glad to see the dongle go, sad to see the new chain & balls for those who do pay for software. Seems a big improvement overall to my taste/reqs, time will tell.

BTW only today I was buggered for an old MIDI take, lost forever inside an obsolete Cubase save format.

[VitaminD]

This is a troll poll, because in now way having a change of authentication a good reason to change to another DAW.

it also has no fish option.

That's old kvr.

Speaking of which what happened to all those guys? Kriminal, ttoz, pough, bonteburg, phz etc...

[PAK]

what tf does wanting to revisit old files have to do with the decision. if you want to keep working, you keep it authorized this way or the other.
I don't have any project files before 2018 when I started uploading to google drive. I found it necessary once because I'd made hasty decisions originally.

And if there's NO way? What then? From v12 forward you'll be permanently "locked out" if servers are taken offline. Ransomware attacks and account hijacks, data loss, network problems, pandemics(!), and other economic factors which trigger changes in access and licensing conditions or cause Yamaha to sell off Steinberg.. The one thing you can always count on, especially over the longer term, is change.

Naturally there are things we can do as users if this is a concern, like exporting files to open standards and simply taking notes etc. It would still be better if Steinberg would factor long term data access into their decisions, and figure out a way to accommodate a scenario where there is NO licensing server - even after 1 year. Just as will be exactly the case with eLicenser in the not so distant future! It's about giving your 2031 self a way to edit those 2028 files you never thought you'd need to, even if you don't see (or think you'll ever have) the need now.

Steinberg have went through numerous transitions since the C64 days, and you can still access things from way back then! Software history will be lost in this new era, as may your ability to edit your data. Don't care? Ok. But your needs, preferences, and requirements are not the same as others, and I'd say it's a short-sighted attitude. Ultimately those, who do care, will move on to alternatives which will have their own issues, but won't (at least) leave you locked out if a server is forever gone..

[jancivil]

"But your needs, preferences, and requirements are not the same as others,"
Where do you get the impression I need you or someone else as my mirror. Short-sighted? Whatever*. I don't have to care about the history of software, yo.

You don't have to agree with my disposition at_all, got no problem with what you want or why, but as a wider argument it's a bit <The sky is falling>, and the vibe I get after a while at this forum is it's always falling for some. Some are about to throw in the towel behind a struggle to keep up with one's plugins authorizations? In an era of untold riches, which when I began as a composer in earnest no one had, multiillionaires, nobody could control time and space as we can today in a DAW from a bedsit. So I'm grateful to live in this time.
So I'm saddened by people with, one supposes deeper mental hygiene issues, malcontents.

These couple of threads to me show a lot of misplaced priority and anxiety I can avoid.
I don't believe Steinberg is going to vanish. I'd prefer no change but nothing to do about it. I live for now, I live - literally it's the single thing keeps me getting up in the morning - to make music on my setup, it's fantastic, it's living a dream.

I've lost literally everything five times. *: My priority is a simple matter, and not polluted by all of this side issue business.

I'm someone that does occasionally go back and correct things that bug me. I almost did it night before last, and that one I've done several times. Way past time to cut my losses, the thing works fine, I'm being precious about things in those cases.

Your last bit, I don't even know what I should care about, it seems you're projecting all this like I really should but I can't relate to it. I don't need to "move on", I am not locked out and don't need to feature a narrative like that for my future. You do you, I'll do me tyvm. First world problems, freaking out over SB is going to make people log onto the 'net once a month, or if you qualify, as someone locked behind a Faraday Cage and that, once a year... well, it's not my circus.
I don't know the dongle I bought last Fri won't outlive me.

[jancivil]

It doesn't look like the question wtf does the decision to use the USB key or not have to do with the need to revisit old files was addressed. Ok, let it be a rhetorical question: Cubase extension. .cpr or .npr is backwards compatible is it not? IDK if the .cpr of a proj. in 11 goes back before SX or that far, or what but I've never seen it not be. I've opened Cubase 11 projects in 10.5 for that matter. C9 in C8.5 etc.

If one believes they cannot abide, that's their business, I'm simpatico but I accept need to adapt more than that, I don't have those options, secluded in a forest refusing to come out.