Dead pixels in tft monitor?

[spaceman]

Does anyone have any evidence of monitor/graphical based demonic possession?

not sure but it sounds like something bush could use in his election campaign

[original flipper]

HI

f**k-it, I will shimmy along into the willderness of my garden and mow the lawn whilst wandering with wonderfull thoughts that withdraw me from the wicked wretchedness of technological verbose, not concerning myself with the vicissitudes or any other vignette and merely listen for a whinny yea a high pitched neigh that is yet impossible becuz I live in a concrete jungle.

Flipper.

[valley]

1 pixel is too much, when you buy a television you don't want any missing pixels either

Wanna go read some warranties for lcd/tft Televisions?

[spaceman]

1 pixel is too much, when you buy a television you don't want any missing pixels either

Wanna go read some warranties for lcd/tft Televisions?

I meant non-lcd/tft tele's actually.. the point being you buy something new expecting it WORKS, in every aspect..

[fake]

1 pixel is too much, when you buy a television you don't want any missing pixels either

Wanna go read some warranties for lcd/tft Televisions?

Ahh,

Warranties in the UK are not part of law, they are an addition to it. They have no legal basis and as such are "not worth the paper they are printed on", as the quote goes. The law will be the Sale of Goods Act.

If the purchase is new or less than 6 months old, take the monitor back to the place you bought it from. They are the ones who by law must deal with it, it is not the makers responsibility. A new extention to the law means that if it goes faulty within 6 months it is now "deemed" faulty at the time of purchase.
A dead pixel means that it is not fit for its purpose and may not be of merchantable quality, so demand a refund or replacement. You are paying for a 100% fit product not a substandard one.

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[pljones]

A dead pixel means that it is not fit for its purpose and may not be of merchantable quality

That's the bit you'd have to argue over.

You're watching Space 1999 reruns on your 28" LCD telly. One of the pixels in the lower right corner is dead. You're sitting 15' away from the screen. You're not going to get much sympathy, now are you? Even if a few dozen pixels around the edge are wonky, the mfrs are likely to get away with saying it's fit for purpose.

What I'd like is for mfrs to also offer 0 pixel guaranteed screens at whatever price they needed to. They wouldn't have to change the mfr process, just the QA. Defects go on the "cheap" pile, perfects go on the "sucker" pile .

[valley]

A dead pixel means that it is not fit for its purpose and may not be of merchantable quality,

Not strictly true. The onus on a retailer to deliver goods of a merchantable quality is a function of the requirement on them to adequately describe the goods. If the goods are described as being defective at point of sale, you have no recourse for the fact that the are defective. This is also trus of "sold as seen" used by auctions.

In the case of LCD monitors, as long as it is made clear that a small amount of defective pixels is considered acceptable, then there is no issue of the goods not being fit for purpose.

It is questionable that retailers and manufacturers are adequately making clear their policies on dead pixels, but that is a side issue that would need to be debated in court.

Bad sectors on new hard drives exist under the same get outs.

[stuartf]

http://www.neovouk.com/support/Warranties.htm

FYI - Half way down the above page is an explanation of an ISO measure of LCD panels and dead pixel count.

A surprisingly open approach from one of the cheapest suppliers out there!

Regards,

Stuart.

[original flipper]

HI

Thank goodness my 'dead pixel' turned out to be a graphical 'glitch' that emanates post firewall boot up!

Don't ask why or how but I am glad its not the TFT!

I think that the 'dud' pixel policy on warranty cover is silly - irrelative of price, you should expect a perfect product or it should be advertised as so - VERY CLEARLY.

I would sooner stick with a crt than risk getting a 'BRAND NEW' TFT with 1-12 dead pixels all over the place, what a ludicrous idea that this is acceptable!

Should I buy another TFT I would seriously consider getting the vendor to unbox and demo the bloody thing first!

Flipper.

[fake]

A dead pixel means that it is not fit for its purpose and may not be of merchantable quality,

Not strictly true. The onus on a retailer to deliver goods of a merchantable quality is a function of the requirement on them to adequately describe the goods. If the goods are described as being defective at point of sale, you have no recourse for the fact that the are defective. This is also trus of "sold as seen" used by auctions.

In the case of LCD monitors, as long as it is made clear that a small amount of defective pixels is considered acceptable, then there is no issue of the goods not being fit for purpose.

It is questionable that retailers and manufacturers are adequately making clear their policies on dead pixels, but that is a side issue that would need to be debated in court.

Bad sectors on new hard drives exist under the same get outs.

But that's not the UK law! The Uk law, the Sale of Good Act is totally different in respect to the above and this was purchased in the UK so that law applies.
Here the "sold as seen" only applies to markets, second hand goods and auctions where you have limited rights and does not apply in this instance.

Which is irrelevant now as it was just a graphical glitch!

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[valley]

But that's not the UK law! The Uk law, the Sale of Good Act is totally different in respect to the above and this was purchased in the UK so that law applies.

Sale of Goods Act, 1994 ammendments (the last time I had cause to study them, maybe the terminology has been altered radically since?):

(2C) The term implied by subsection (2) above does not extend to any matter making the quality of goods unsatisfactory—

(a) which is specifically drawn to the buyer's attention before the contract is made,

[/quote]

Right here is the issue. If it is made clear as part of the contract to buy that a limited amount of dead pixels is considered to be acceptable working order, then the seller has a damn good case to argue.

Here the "sold as seen" only applies to markets, second hand goods and auctions where you have limited rights and does not apply in this instance.

Sold as seen can be applied to any product, even as new. So-called 'seconds' stores sell 'sold as seen' goods that are new. Quality as it applies to appearance and functionality in this case in waived by the purchaser.

Which is irrelevant now as it was just a graphical glitch!

True enough, and good news for flipper.

[pHz]

valley ... fake is POSSIBLY not the person to get into a sale of goods act (UK) argument with ...

slainte rob

[original flipper]

HI

I don't know what a dead pixel looks like, but what I do know is even this pixel size 'glitch' that I have is irritating but if it was a 'dud' pixel on a monitor I just paid £350 for I would be going f...... mad - it would irritate the hell out of me - I don't know how anyone could put up with half a dozen of these spread around the screen .

I hope my new TFT last's long enough for the technology to get a bit more reliable and consistent, although saying that it isn't like a load of people have come foward saying they have 'dead pixels' anyway - so perhaps TFT's ARE generally OK.

Flipper.

[snooky]

Oddly enough, my dead pixel seems to have disappeared?

Perhaps it was because I changed graphics card card...

[fake]

valley ... fake is POSSIBLY not the person to get into a sale of goods act (UK) argument with ...

slainte rob

Cheeky devil.

Section 1-2b-sub c
"Free from minor defects"

Section 1-2c-all.
Only applies if the item is shown to be defective first, which is not the norm in a retail sale. You usually buy a boxed product sold "unseen".

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