Reason Rack Standalone

[tony10000]

As others have mentioned, there NEVER was a standalone version of the Rack by itself - so what decision do you mean?

See my original post above:

"I think that Reason Studios are making a huge mistake by not offering the Reason Rack as a standalone product instead of requiring purchase of a monthly subscription."

Sorry, but it still makes zero sense.

1) there is no "Reason Rack Standalone"

2) the existing version can be both purchased to be yours
your forever and be obtained via subscription

3) since there is no "Reason Rack Standalone" it can neither be purchased outright nor subscribed to

You are mixing up two entirely unrelated things here. I am sure it makes sense in your head somehow, but... you know... that is not really where this thread is located.

Read the first line again...slowly...for comprehension:

"I think that Reason Studios are making a huge mistake by not offering the Reason Rack as a standalone product instead of requiring purchase of a monthly subscription."

I DID NOT say or imply there was an existing (or even previous) Reason Rack standalone option (even though others pointed out the Lite option, which was not a great deal considering the low price of Intro--both discontinued now).

Now, there is no option to just buy the rack...you have to rent the whole shabang for $20 a month or pay $500 for Reason DAW including the rack. Bring back Intro sans the DAW for $99!

[jens]

Again: the fully optional subscription has got nothing to do with a possible standalone version of the rack (or lack thereof). You may quote that sentence of yours a hundred times and it will still make zero sense in the light of facts and reason (no pun intended).

[chk071]

See my original post above:

"I think that Reason Studios are making a huge mistake by not offering the Reason Rack as a standalone product instead of requiring purchase of a monthly subscription."

They don't require a monthly subscription.

Unless you made a typo, and meant "or a monthly subscription".

If it makes you happier, though, just think of the $500 for the Reason Rack standalone. Done.

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P.S.: I'm not sure what price you expect for a potential Reason Rack standalone. It won't be cheap, I can give you that. And, it would totally slaughter Reason as a DAW, if they did that. They already did enough of that in the recent past.

[tony10000]

Again: the fully optional subscription has got nothing to do with a possible standalone version of the rack (or lack thereof). You may quote that sentence of yours a hundred times and it will still make zero sense in the light of facts and reason (no pun intended).

See my original post above:

"I think that Reason Studios are making a huge mistake by not offering the Reason Rack as a standalone product instead of requiring purchase of a monthly subscription."

They don't require a monthly subscription.

Unless you made a typo, and meant "or a monthly subscription".

If it makes you happier, though, just think of the $500 for the Reason Rack standalone. Done.

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P.S.: I'm not sure what price you expect for a potential Reason Rack standalone. It won't be cheap, I can give you that. And, it would totally slaughter Reason as a DAW, if they did that. They already did enough of that in the recent past.

My point is there are only two ways to get Reason Rack now (as of Version 12):

1. Plugin and DAW: $499
2. Reason+ Subscription: $19.99/month

I am suggesting a 3rd option: Reason Rack with standard Reason instrument selection for something like $99. (Reason Intro sans the DAW)

Why is that so hard to understand?

[chk071]

$99... you're clearly joking.

[jens]

Why is that so hard to understand?

I could answer that question, but... you know... that's a chicken-egg problem of sorts...

But bascially put: it isn't and nobody claimed it was. None of what you are able to communiate will be hard for me or most people to understand, as long as it makes any sense outside your head.

[jens]

$99... you're clearly joking.

Yeah, that is on one hand absurd and then on the other...

a) the Reason Rack all by itself is nothing to write home about, but hey...

b) when Tony-boy says "standalone" what he actually means is "plugin"

[chk071]

a) the Reason Rack all by itself is nothing to write home about, but hey...

I agree. Just saying that there's a lot of stuff in there, and that it's a big part of the package. Which costs $500. Thus I highly doubt that they will sell themselves short that way.

Yes, there was Reason Intro, but, they obviously quickly realized that it's a bit too good to be true.

[jens]

a) the Reason Rack all by itself is nothing to write home about, but hey...

I agree. Just saying that there's a lot of stuff in there, and that it's a big part of the package. Which costs $500. Thus I highly doubt that they will sell themselves short that way.

Yes - plus those of us who use Reason strictly as a DAW would then of course quickly start shouting for a - discounted, of course - DAW-only version.
I have absolutely no need for the plugin-version.

[jens]

Yes, there was Reason Intro, but, they obviously quickly realized that it's a bit too good to be true.

It wasn't - it's just that the kid who's playing with the company from the CEO-chair right now is desperately seeking to increase revenue, because the grown-ups who handed him his new toy told him he must do so, or else they'll take it away.

[tony10000]

$99... you're clearly joking.

Yeah, that is on one hand absurd and then on the other...

a) the Reason Rack all by itself is nothing to write home about, but hey...

b) when Tony-boy says "standalone" what he actually means is "plugin"

Yes VST3. By "standalone", I meant selling the rack without the DAW. I am not sure why $99 with the standard instruments and effects is an absurd price as Reason Studios could make a lot of $$$ by selling other instruments and effects.

Anyway, if they want to only offer subscriptions and a ridiculously high price for Reason, I hope that works out well for them. No more upgrade $$$ for me...and I have been a Reason user since version 2.

[jens]

If you have been a Reason user since V2 you should know pretty well that the Rack in isolation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It makes perfect sense within the full application however.

[zoidkirb]

$99 is a bit cheap.
I'd price it more like a competitor to the big popular synths like Serum.
Maybe $200.
Can't really do $500 just for the rack as that's Komplete money.

[tony10000]

If you have been a Reason user since V2 you should know pretty well that the Rack in isolation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It makes perfect sense within the full application however.

Works fine for me and I use Ableton Live, FL Studio and other DAWs.

[jens]

But you can not at all use the Rack in the way you say you have been using it for how many years?

It can't work fine because as a plugin you can't at all use it what it has been designed for in the first place.