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Nathanananan · Post by **Nathanananan** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:48 am

Agreed wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:44 pm Also Vital is awesome wtf you got against Vital OP

No, I love Vital its great! What I am saying is they are giving it away free because there is already too much shit out there.

Nathanananan · Post by **Nathanananan** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:49 am

Agreed wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:18 am My least favorite thing about all this affordable stuff is how software devs put a gun right to your head and make you buy it

I mean it would be one thing if it were just options from which you're free to select, usually with demos to give you a good idea of how it will work in the context of your own usage & workflow, and then if you do like it you had the option to buy it but you could also just not

That wouldn't be so bad

But this! I was just walking past an amp modeler two days ago and the developer leapt out and mugged me on the spot, I went home to my wife and had to sheepishly explain, it was really traumatic

Yeah this is what Im talking about ALL OF IT

psynical · Post by **psynical** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:16 am

Boo f**king hoo. Oh no, i have to much to choose from! Won't somebody help me!

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:20 am

I'm perfectly okay with the amount of variety and quality DSP out there. Don't buy sound banks if you don't like them. That's what I do. Just ignore all the marketing if you aren't into that sort of thing.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:25 am

Nathanananan wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:48 am
Agreed wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:44 pm Also Vital is awesome wtf you got against Vital OP

No, I love Vital its great! What I am saying is they are giving it away free because there is already too much shit out there.

They are giving it away because that's the business model they decided to go with. I bought presets from them that I will never use just to put some money in their pockets. I don't think that anyone forced them to give away their software. They could probably make it donation ware and do okay. I was surprised that such a nice product was free to aquire without any presets, but again, they decided to do it that way and they don't appear to have been driven out of business by "too much shit".

Fraggle · Post by **Fraggle** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:34 am

Agree with OP about the ridiculous saturation of crap that is sold. I disagree that A.I. will be a 'solution' or somehow something better.

It's like the rest of 'life' - 99% of TV/netflix shows, You tube clips, Tik Tok videos, Facebook feeds, Forum threads and posts, products and services etc etc are overpriced AND/OR junk..... that's society in 2022 - it would be strange if the electronic music production industry wasn't likewise.

Nathanananan · Post by **Nathanananan** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:52 am

psynical wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:16 am Boo f**king hoo. Oh no, i have to much to choose from! Won't somebody help me!

No you missed the point you damn wierdo

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:19 am

Nathanananan wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:01 pmWhy so many synths!!!!!

Let me answer your question with a question - have you found the perfect synth yet? If you answer "no", then you have your answer. If you have found it, please tell me what it is because I've been searching for 35 years and I still haven't come close.

How many goddamn guitar amp vst's do we need? All of them? Every guitar amp ever made?

Again, once you find the right one you don't need any others but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Lately we've kind of settled on Linda Rockstack but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work for a lot of other people.

Yes, you have to wade through a lot of shit to find the good stuff but what you think is shit, someone else will think is gold. e.g. Soundspot's Union is so f**king good for what we do but most people around here would tell you it's shit and not even worth buying when it's $5 at Plugin Boutique. But I'd take Union over Diva or Serum or pretty much any other synth people are happy to pay $200 for.

As for AI in a DAW - no thank you. Your phone's AI lives in the cloud so it would either mean having to be connected to the internet all the time or using your CPU to run the AI, which would leave no processing power for your instruments.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:35 am

Fraggle wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:34 am Agree with OP about the ridiculous saturation of crap that is sold. I disagree that A.I. will be a 'solution' or somehow something better.

Pretty much. Related, too much crap being sold by subscription.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:18 am

I bet you already have plenty of subscriptions - Spotify, Netflix, cable TV, etc. - so what's one more? That said, it depends what it is. I wouldn't want to be paying for Studio One by subscription, because it's something I will be using every day for many years, but I was happy to pay a subscription for Output's Arcade VSTi while I was using it and would happily pay for another month or two if I needed to.

If all my VSTs were subscription based, it would be a great way to reduce kruft over time, as I find that I use most VSTi for a few months, until something else comes along, then never again. So as long as I can still open those old projects and the instrument will play, as is the case with Arcade, it doesn't matter than I can't interact with it any more.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 5:45 am

It's amusingly ironic that Taip fueled the OPs rant because Taip is a good plugin, imho.

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:30 am

vurt wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm down with this sort of thing!

Right Ted.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:33 am

OP just expressed the overwhelming number of choices. Most guitar players I know have 1, in words one, amp. Its sufficient. More choices isn’t better, but you need choices. Collecting VSTs is avoiding the choice/decision…
And Taip, which I don’t know and don’t know what its good for, is a good example. When I started, there was no DAW, there was only tape. It was bad, because of hiss and other artifacts. Back then I’d love do have it cleaner. Why should I long for something which I hated when I was forced to use it? Its a good example for something which isn’t needed for producing music. If you want hiss, add some noise and shape it. Much better than a potentially unwanted artifact…
Still, there are people who like it for whatever reason…

gaggle of hermits · Post by **gaggle of hermits** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:33 am

jamcat wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:50 pm Is this an INTRANCER thread?

as it didn’t finish with “it would be better if I did the gui and made it look like a low-budget Tron prop”, I assume it isn’t.

crickey13 · Post by **crickey13** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:43 am

Just looking at this site I see another thread in which people blame software developers for their own choices and complaining about things that don't matter at all.

Over to the right we have more pointless threads and all of them probably are probably just as bad
I never read them Im just judging a book by its cover. I dont feel I need to read it either because there is already a ton of shit just like it on this site.

Then there are the thousands of questions about best synths, best EQs or the sound of filter as though you were unable to browse the database and download the demos of these products and see for yourself. What are you hoping to achieve with these threads? You dont even know what you're looking for or asking about half the time.

Then there is all the new DAW polls in which people vote for the DAWs that they use, then fight about it with others. No one is going to use all of those DAWs, they are just going to stick to the one they're using or switch to another one with a similar workflow after they get bored.

Why so many threads!!!!! They all start to sound so junk that no one will read them in the end.

There are so many threads where people are giving their advice hoping you will buy the same plugins as them so that you will validate their choices, again what sound are you looking for? Cant you make the damn sound yourself with the stuff you already own? How do you know the sound you want is in yet another plugin?

There is nothing new anymore just shity DAW polls and plugin popularity contests

What we need is a real AI to browse kvr for us so that you can talk to it and say something like "filter all the nitpicking and DAW polls" I dont know.
Until there is AI its probably going to be the same shit over and over.

How many goddamn threads about vst's do we need? All of them? About every software compressor ever made?

There's Too Much Bargin Bin Junk Software Out Now.