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Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:09 pm

Have been demoing v12. Very nice daw indeed. CPU load is slightly better than in Studio One.

In Studio One there is patcher where I can route plugins. Does the Waveform have it too? Didn't find it..

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:34 pm

V12 is good. The workflow issue that I think calls for some design changes is the aux send bus system, which originating from the early decisions about the unorthodox Tracktion layout results in a headache when trying to fine tune parameters on the tracks sending and aux tracks as a unit, since they're not linked as a unit in the GUI. Unless I'm missing some sort of workflow solution to this, a shortcut or suchlike. The question is whether they should move the software further towards the typical paradigm, which would have the effect of lessening Waveform's uniqueness, but ultimately be an improvement IMO.

Danilo Villanova · Post by **Danilo Villanova** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:38 am

Igro wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:09 pm Have been demoing v12. Very nice daw indeed. CPU load is slightly better than in Studio One.

In Studio One there is patcher where I can route plugins. Does the Waveform have it too? Didn't find it..

yes, it's called rack I believe.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:35 am

Thanks. Gonna check the demo again.

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:31 pm

Waveform 12 Free is now out too ...there is a Beta for 12.1.something now .

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:15 pm

Glad to see this DAW is getting a little attention. Its always been an under appreciated piece of software but at version 12 it's matured quite nicely and a lot of user complaints have been ironed out. I always loved the unique workflow of Tracktion but wanted more refined midi features, better audio editing capability, and most importantly, increased stability. I feel like all of those have seen massive improvements over time. Its now at a point where its a viable option for a lot of producers looking for something unique while easy to use and fast.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:31 pm

Demoing.

I haven't read the manual. In Studio One creating bus channel is easy as it can be. In Waveform I couldn't even find the option. Their mixer is very primitive, tbh. I though that there would be some right click option to create a bus channel.

Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:24 pm

Igro wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:31 pm Demoing.

I haven't read the manual. In Studio One creating bus channel is easy as it can be. In Waveform I couldn't even find the option. Their mixer is very primitive, tbh. I though that there would be some right click option to create a bus channel.

I am in the learning process as well. Setting up a bus or sub is a bit convoluted but logical. There are some vids on it but basically sends and received are input like fx. Waveform is not a jump right in kinda DAW in my experience....but .....the workflow is fast albeit unique. Just need to follow Waveforms way of doing things. Some right clicking but alot of shortcut keys.

vitocorleone123 · Post by **vitocorleone123** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:55 pm

Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:24 pm
Igro wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:31 pm Demoing.

I haven't read the manual. In Studio One creating bus channel is easy as it can be. In Waveform I couldn't even find the option. Their mixer is very primitive, tbh. I though that there would be some right click option to create a bus channel.
I am in the learning process as well. Setting up a bus or sub is a bit convoluted but logical. There are some vids on it but basically sends and received are input like fx. Waveform is not a jump right in kinda DAW in my experience....but .....the workflow is fast albeit unique. Just need to follow Waveforms way of doing things. Some right clicking but alot of shortcut keys.

Waveform is the only jump right in and get to work DAW for me. All the rest have been a real challenge to learn. If I was designing a DAW, it'd be a lot like Waveform. The problem is not Waveform per se, but unlearning more rigid DAWs. Or, for me, learning a more rigid DAW like Studio One.

Waveform has very flexible routing - you can route any track to any other track. If you want to call one a BUS and send others to it, just do that. You don't need to use the special Send plugin unless mixing only some of the track in. Need to do fancy stuff or using a plugin with multiple outs? Use the wrapper/rack.

There wasn't even a mixer view until v10 or something like that.

Overall, if using only plugins, Waveform is better than Studio One (though I did export each track and mix in Mixbus32C). I also use hardware along with software, and I've found the overall experience better with Studio One. But if I was using only plugins I'd consider dropping Studio One again. However, MIDI in Studio One is handled pretty poorly in comparison. I also like being able to drag and drop LFOs or other modifiers onto any track or plugin in Waveform - totally missing in Studio One.

Waveform, since they went ahead and added a mixer view not too many versions ago, now needs to follow through with it and further develop it. I preferred it without this view and the associated overhead - I would've preferred just an expanded mix bus functionality (more than 4 plugins without using a rack).

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:30 pm

vitocorleone123 wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:55 pmI would've preferred just an expanded mix bus functionality (more than 4 plugins without using a rack).

You can use more than 4 now, don't know the upper limit but seems plenty.

pough · Post by **pough** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:52 pm

Igro wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:31 pm Demoing.

I haven't read the manual. In Studio One creating bus channel is easy as it can be. In Waveform I couldn't even find the option. Their mixer is very primitive, tbh. I though that there would be some right click option to create a bus channel.

They call it a "SubMix track". You can either right-click on the left area (that shows the track names and inputs) and select "Add Submix track" and then drag tracks into it or you can select the tracks you want to put into the Submix track and then right-click and "Pack selected tracks into a Submix track".

Note that Waveform also has "Folder tracks" that group tracks together but don't force you to route all their collective audio through the main track.

Regarding the mixer, it was resisted for a long time by TSC and is relatively new. It's a strange way to look at Waveform's tracks because the plugin section is more flexible than your usual mixer. It's software, not hardware. You can have zero or 10 volume plugins, in any order.

You'll find the "why be limited by hardware ideas in software" throughout Waveform. You can route a track to another track (thus creating something like a "bus channel") or you can create a Submix track that is another type of bus channel. You can also use a Send plugin (anywhere in the audio flow of the track) to send audio to another track. None of this only pre or post business. It's software, not hardware.

Scrubbing Monkeys · Post by **Scrubbing Monkeys** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:20 pm

@vitocorleone123
Not a jump in if you are coming from the typical DAWs and having to unlearn them is probably a better way to say that for sure. If I was starting out Waveform, It would be a faster initial time investment. I'm looking forward to unlearning as Iike what I see

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:13 pm

I agree that sometimes Waveform takes some "Unlearning" if you are coming from other big name DAW's but there are just little things it does that I just think make sense.

For example, dragging any (audio or midi) input around to any track instead of having to set up an audio specific or midi specific track in the arranger just seems so logical. Expanding and collapsing the transport panel based on what editing tools are needed just makes sense. The track controls on the right side of the track makes adding plugins easy without having to expand the mixer. Everything being draggable from inputs and plugins to loops and clips feels quick and accessible.

Its those little things about Waveform that save me time that I appreciate. It really feels like it creators are musicians who thought about things they'd like to see in other DAW's and designed it accordingly.

Watchful · Post by **Watchful** » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:03 pm

@jjpscott01 -- I think you captured everything I like about Waveform as well, particularly the last sentence of your second paragraph about inputs and plugins.

I'll also point out that your bio indicates you've been around the block with other DAWs, so your observations are particularly valuable.

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:18 pm

Watchful wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:03 pm @jjpscott01 -- I think you captured everything I like about Waveform as well, particularly the last sentence of your second paragraph about inputs and plugins.

I'll also point out that your bio indicates you've been around the block with other DAWs, so your observations are particularly valuable.

Yes I have and I still do use other DAW's for certain things. I use Cubase for some larger projects and I'm a massive fan of Reason in general but Waveform has really come into its own over the years. I think its at a point where it deserves much more attention and I'd love to see more producers and songwriters give it a second look. I'm hoping the recent release of Waveform 12 free will get it some more eyes on it. Those Tracktion fellas have really developed a nice piece of software.