D16 Drumazon 2 is coming

[kmonkey]

D16 can easily circumvent the hihat sample problem by having a slightly altered sample, just like everybody else does. Also, they could add sample import to it (maybe it already has it?)

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[NAD]

D16 can easily circumvent the hihat sample problem by having a slightly altered sample, just like everybody else does. Also, they could add sample import to it (maybe it already has it?)

That's interesting. I wonder how exactly you go about altering the sample while keeping it recognizable, and how much you'd need to alter it to avoid legal problems.... Like would a couple of allpass filters be enough?

[kmonkey]

That's interesting. I wonder how exactly you go about altering the sample while keeping it recognizable, and how much you'd need to alter it to avoid legal problems.... Like would a couple of allpass filters be enough?

It's not interesting it is an old topic (people talked about it 20 years ago). And no, not even Roland was able to stop people from sampling it. I think anything could be enough, such as
a: You use your own hi-hat that was the same model that Roland used because no one can stop you from doing that
b: You extract their sample from ROM (available on the internet) and then you shorten it by a few ms
c: Do your own thing, use imagination.

I would hate this thread to turn into something else apart of the new instrument so open your own thread instead and talk about the legality of sampling.

[onerob]

[Edit: nvm]

[NAD]

That's interesting. I wonder how exactly you go about altering the sample while keeping it recognizable, and how much you'd need to alter it to avoid legal problems.... Like would a couple of allpass filters be enough?

It's not interesting it is an old topic (people talked about it 20 years ago). And no, not even Roland was able to stop people from sampling it. I think anything could be enough, such as
a: You use your own hi-hat that was the same model that Roland used because no one can stop you from doing that
b: You extract their sample from ROM (available on the internet) and then you shorten it by a few ms
c: Do your own thing, use imagination.

I would hate this thread to turn into something else apart of the new instrument so open your own thread instead and talk about the legality of sampling.

Your hostility is completely uncalled for. I was actually having a nice day. Anyway, I find it interesting because I was not privy to that particular conversation 20 years ago. Sorry for not knowing something that you already know. Don't worry, I won't dilute your topic any more with my inane questions, but I really wish you would would try to express yourself more kindly.

[kraster]

That's interesting. I wonder how exactly you go about altering the sample while keeping it recognizable, and how much you'd need to alter it to avoid legal problems.... Like would a couple of allpass filters be enough?

It's not interesting it is an old topic (people talked about it 20 years ago). And no, not even Roland was able to stop people from sampling it. I think anything could be enough, such as
a: You use your own hi-hat that was the same model that Roland used because no one can stop you from doing that
b: You extract their sample from ROM (available on the internet) and then you shorten it by a few ms
c: Do your own thing, use imagination.

I would hate this thread to turn into something else apart of the new instrument so open your own thread instead and talk about the legality of sampling.

Your hostility is completely uncalled for. I was actually having a nice day. Anyway, I find it interesting because I was not privy to that particular conversation 20 years ago. Sorry for not knowing something that you already know. Don't worry, I won't dilute your topic any more with my inane questions, but I really wish you would would try to express yourself more kindly.

Weird take in that response you received since I thought your question was perfectly relevant to the discussion.

It was not inane at all. Don't let one grumpy person put you off.

Citing 20 year old conversations isn't exactly contributing to the thread.

The response and tone you received was uncalled for imho.

Anyway...The original hats were a mismatched set of top and bottom hats recorded into a 6 bit sampler so I guess you could get somewhere in the ballpark by replicating that.

I also don't agree with the response were they say that Roland won't enforce the use of samples in a product.

I don't think Roland are going to chase down every use of the 909 hihat sample but in a product that replicates one of their drum machines it wouldn't be wise to risk the potential legal trouble. They do have copyright standing. They might not do anything but it's a big gamble to assume they won't.

[egbert101]

Yeah, interesting way to gatekeep what we can discuss and what we can't. Bit grandiose.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I for one did not come here to talk about the legality of sampling Roland drum samples. I did however come here to talk about talking about the legality of sampling Roland drum samples!

[vitocorleone123]

It’ll be fun to compare this update with the Wave Alchemy Revolution v2/stand-alone once it’s eventually released (next year at this point?).

Not sure why I wouldn’t pay for the v2 upgrade on Drumazon in the mean time.

[zvenx]

I am sure if I spent more time matching them I could get closer.
This is two bars of one then two bars of the other (the same midi) then two bars hihats only of one (not necessarily the same one) and then two bars hihat of the other.

Yes we both permission to post on social media.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3dfc7cex ... 2wwgt&dl=0


The two are: Roland Cloud 909 and D16 Drumazon 2.
rsp (one of the five .

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Man.... Drumazon with an interface I can see is enough for me.

[kmonkey]

Yeah, interesting way to gatekeep what we can discuss and what we can't. Bit grandiose.

It is not grandiose, it is not gatekeeping because it is a public forum and snowflakes can open their threads and debate the legality of sampling to the end of time. Since I have been at KVR for a long time I have seen it many times thus I wanted people to stay on topic.

So it does not make sense to picture this as if someone is shutting you down. I said clearly, if people want to discuss "sampling" open your own thread and post a link here.

I wanted to keep it "on topic" to keep the news and additional info on the upcoming instrument Drumazon 2.

I mean the Title of the thread should be self-explanatory. If you followed a link I posted in the opening thread you can clearly see that weeks before this thread I was crying out for additional info and someone suggested opening a new thread would be a good idea about the upcoming product.

Which is what I did.

Please stay on topic, it's a common culture in forum places. Open your thread at any time with any subject you want.

[kmonkey]

I am sure if I spent more time matching them I could get closer.
This is two bars of one then two bars of the other (the same midi) then two bars hihats only of one (not necessarily the same one) and then two bars hihat of the other.

Yes we both permission to post on social media.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3dfc7cex ... 2wwgt&dl=0


The two are: Roland Cloud 909 and D16 Drumazon 2.
rsp (one of the five .

Thanks so much for this. Which one is Drumazon 2? I love the second instrument (that comes after the first 8 hits - second two bars) in both instances. Bassdrum is better IMO. Sure instrument needs a bit of a tuning as you said but this is fantastic sounding if Drumazon 2 is the second two bars.

And with hi-hats only, I again preferred the second part (though this could be achieved on the first one with EQ).

There's this thread at the D16 forum that speaks a lot even about how good Drumazon 1 is:

https://d16.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11 ... 88c5858041

I would love to hear just BD of Drumazon 2 being "decayed". Perhaps they will really release it on 9,09 ?

[kraster]

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[Vortifex]

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