SERUM VS VITAL

[vertibration]

no, it's not possible

lmao

[audiouser720]

Serum is vital for these kind of productions…

[chk071]

Serum is good, yes, but there is no joke that Splice’s RTO helped make it the EDM darling that it is. Nothing at all wrong with it, but Vital has come out in the meantime and Current is likely to give Serum a run for it’s money over the next year or two.

Not sure if it works like that. Just look at how long Sylenth1 was THE synth for those genres, despite allegedly better alternatives.

And how many "Serum killers" have we already seen, which didn't kill Serum?

[liquidsound]

And how many "Serum killers" have we already seen, which didn't kill Serum?

People keep dreaming…
Serum is Immortal!

[c0nsilience]

Serum is good, yes, but there is no joke that Splice’s RTO helped make it the EDM darling that it is. Nothing at all wrong with it, but Vital has come out in the meantime and Current is likely to give Serum a run for it’s money over the next year or two.

Not sure if it works like that. Just look at how long Sylenth1 was THE synth for those genres, despite allegedly better alternatives.

And how many "Serum killers" have we already seen, which didn't kill Serum?

Point well taken and duly noted. Now, if you don't mind, I'm busy checking out the Neuralink-inspired AI Pin driven modular that will surely take the world by storm in the future!

[Trancer]

Thanks a lot for your answers.

My question seemed logical to me, since the specifications are not entirely identical.

I simply tell myself that there must be differences compared to perhaps a fatter, thicker, more organic sound with one than the other.

Differing sound reproduction perhaps also due to the difference in oscillators, effects module, filters, etc.

Concerning David Guetta, the reference was just from a point of view of the use of Serum and nothing to do with the DJ.

Concerning the price of Serum and the freeness of Vital, this is most certainly not linked to a huge difference in sound quality, but more of a choice perhaps of marketing or a call for tender.

Concerning a Serum 2.

Shouldn't it see the light of day in 2021?

[cron]

I'm going to say no. Because of the blurb on their main page that no one reads:

ULTRA-CLEAN OSCILLATORS

Playback of wavetables requires digital resampling to play different frequencies. Without considerable care and a whole lot of number crunching, this process will create audible artifacts. Artifacts mean that you are (perhaps unknowingly) crowding your mix with unwanted tones / frequencies. Many popular wavetable synthesizers are astonishingly bad at suppressing artifacts - even on a high-quality setting some create artifacts as high as -36 dB to -60 dB (level difference between fundamental on artifacts) which is well audible, and furthermore often dampening the highest wanted audible frequencies in the process, to try and suppress this unwanted sound. In Serum, the native-mode (default) playback of oscillators operates with an ultra high-precision resampling, yielding an astonishingly inaudible signal-to-noise (for instance, -150 dB on a sawtooth played at 1 Khz at 44100)! This requires a lot of calculations, so Serum’s oscillator playback has been aggressively optimized using SSE2 instructions to allow for this high-quality playback without taxing your CPU any more than the typical (decent quality) soft synth already does. Load up Serum and we think you’ll be able to notice both what you hear (solid high frequencies, extending flat all the way up to the limits of hearing) as well as what you don’t hear (no unwanted mud or aliasing gibberish- just good, clean sound).

https://xferrecords.com/products/serum/

There is a reason why Serum costs money and Vital is free.

Behold : a victim of marketing
That being said , I don't care about neither serum or vital , but I feel for you if you actually believe what you wrote.
Get well soon
If you play a sawtooth in vital , you get the exact same frequencies beyond 20 KHZ with no ROll OFf , just ike serum and Zebra
Here's zebra in crisp mode

and soft mode

I'd add that Serum only looks clean on static waveforms. As soon as you start modulating wavetable position it gets very noisy - especially on more complex wavetables - and modulating the wavetable is kind of the point of wavetable synthesis.

Serum's one filter is quite versatile but Vital's filters are, frankly, on another level when it comes to quality and there are two of them.

Having said that, Serum is still my go-to. I probably work faster in Serum than in any other synth I own. It's just a brilliantly designed synth that's really enjoyable to use.

[liquidsound]

but Vital's filters are, frankly, on another level when it comes to quality and there are two of them.

[Teksonik]

as vital is free you can download it

That's exactly what killed Vital's development.

Vital is not free, it's a commercial synth with a free version. Since everybody has been touting it as freeware instead of paying a few dollars to support development....well we see how that's turning out with the complete lack of development for over a year and bugs that still haunt the last version.

I've said it from day one, releasing an almost un-crippled free version of Vital was a huge mistake.

As for Serum, I've tried the demo and it's a $100 synth at best to me. Steve doesn't believe in sales and I don't believe Serum is worth $189 in today's market so......

[rod_zero]

To me neither is special, they are good for clean, or over distorted sounds for current genres of EDM, they can do much more but to me that takes more effort on both.

But also they are excellent synths, that are workhorses and will make almost any sound that is current.

OP: Finished tracks in EDM have so many effects and processing that the synth kind of doesn't matter, you could use original Massive and Sylenth-

[Psuper]

Vital was the best purchase I ever made as far as synths go, and I've paid a small fortune on synths both hardware and software over the years for many.

The workflow in Vital is unparalleled: there's no other synth out there that jives as complimentary to how I think than Vital. When creating and manipulating sounds, I've yet to be stumped with a sound I wanted to create or mimic.

Far as how Vital sounds vs Serum, the same far as I can tell they're extremely similar in that regard (as most of you know). However Serum workflow is not my cup of tea, so Vital blows serum out of the water in my book, because its vastly more approachable with sound design.

[c0nsilience]

OP: Finished tracks in EDM have so many effects and processing that the synth kind of doesn't matter, you could use original Massive and Sylenth-

This. Noisia did some awesome work with FM8 and Massive...seriously? Hehe. Check out 'Outer Edges' if you haven't.

[Trancer]

Thank you for your answers.

I'll take Vital.

If one day Serum 2 comes out we will see if the new features are worth it to make a purchase.

Given that Serum 2 was announced in 2021 and we arrive in 2024, a version 2 of Serum seems illusory.

[SeBaer]

I'll take Vital.

Since you linked a couple of videos by Demis Hellen in your thread-opening post, you should check out his YouTube-channel. He did a a lot of .

[Trancer]

thank you for your reply

Indeed, moreover if I chose to take Vital, it is also linked to this person and his videos.