Altiverb 8

[gentleclockdivider]

Altiverb was the Pinnacle of convolution reverbs ..20 years ago ...
Sad that they are still handling the same prices as then..
Someone should inform these guys that the world economy has made significant changes since then

[noiseboyuk]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

Does anyone need these in a reverb? So easy to set this up in a DAW with other tools.

KVR - Altiverb is not for you. Although yes it can be used for music, it's only truly indispensable in audio post.

Move along.

[Artie Fichelle]

I bought Altiverb in 2005. At that time no much competition. But today I find so many good reverbs for free and commercial, that the reverb problem is solved.

[jens]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

Does anyone need these in a reverb? So easy to set this up in a DAW with other tools.

Nah - only if you use it as a send.

it's only truly indispensable in audio post.

Nah

[noiseboyuk]

it's only truly indispensable in audio post.

Nah

Yup. Name a credible alternative that has image-based browsing (and believe me this matters a lot in post), a huge and diverse range of spaces and is easily and quickly manipulatable.

[Robmobius]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

How much much would you have to pay to rent one hour at St. David's Hall in Cardiff in 2023?!

That's moronic.

[machinesworking]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

How much much would you have to pay to rent one hour at St. David's Hall in Cardiff in 2023?!

That's moronic.

I"m curious why you think this is moronic? I'm getting the impression that people are convoluting (sorry) the point DCrown is trying to make. They're not saying "it's cheaper than renting the hall", they're saying the thousands of halls captured in Altiverb cost millions likely for them to capture. In other words look at the prices of other convolution reverbs and see how many have a limited pallet, most of them really, and you pay for more impulse responses. There are plenty of free IR's on the web so people devalue this, but it doesn't change the fact they have a large unique library.

I'm still not a fan of their prices, I bought Altiverb used, but the fact is they have the biggest IR library out there and that costs money. They would IMO have done better to have more upgrades than every 13 years, and maybe even changed the business model to include buying new packs of IRs etc. but they do what they do.

[A J M]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

Does anyone need these in a reverb? So easy to set this up in a DAW with other tools.

KVR - Altiverb is not for you. Although yes it can be used for music, it's only truly indispensable in audio post.

Move along.

It truly is incredibly useful for post, don’t know what I’d do without it. That’s why I own it. I use it for music too but I’m just as apt to use an algorithmic reverb in that context.

[machinesworking]

It truly is incredibly useful for post, don’t know what I’d do without it. That’s why I own it. I use it for music too but I’m just as apt to use an algorithmic reverb in that context.

Same, I only use Altiverb for a more "organic" reverb in music. I don't often reach for it for special FX type reverbs, i.e. ducking etc.

[jens]

Name a credible alternative that has image-based browsing (and believe me this matters a lot in post)

Believe me it doesn't matter at all

(and what a truly silly claim this is )

Just for starters, the Waves IR product-line has a huge library and the Convology XT Real Space Complete bundle is even more massive...

and the Reverence library that is included in Nuendo already isn't too shabby either. The claim that you can't get by without Altiverb is absolutely ludicrous.

It's just dinosaur-hype (spread by dinosaurs) as was for a long time the case with ProTools too.

[noiseboyuk]

Name a credible alternative that has image-based browsing (and believe me this matters a lot in post)

Believe me it doesn't matter at all

(and what a truly silly claim this is )

Just for starters, the Waves IR product-line has a huge library and the Convology XT Real Space Complete bundle is even more massive...

and the Reverence library that is included in Nuendo already isn't too shabby either. The claim that you can't get by without Altiverb is absolutely ludicrous.

It's just dinosaur-hype (spread by dinosaurs) as was for a long time the case with ProTools too.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

[jens]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

How much much would you have to pay to rent one hour at St. David's Hall in Cardiff in 2023?!

That's moronic.

I"m curious why you think this is moronic? I'm getting the impression that people are convoluting (sorry) the point DCrown is trying to make. They're not saying "it's cheaper than renting the hall", they're saying the thousands of halls captured in Altiverb cost millions likely for them to capture. In other words look at the prices of other convolution reverbs and see how many have a limited pallet, most of them really, and you pay for more impulse responses. There are plenty of free IR's on the web so people devalue this, but it doesn't change the fact they have a large unique library.

I would say that first of all it's a moot point if the competition offers something similar for a lot less, but you already adressed that point and I didn't do the math on the number of IRs in Altiverb vs (say) ConvologyXT.

But:

a) there is no reason to assume the Altiverb makers themselves flew to (say) Cardiff in order to record some IRs (which are relatively simple to capture as compared to say a drum- or an orchestral-library).

b) there is no reason to assume they paid - if any at all - the full renting fee for the venue in question. That's just not how it works. You have to keep in mind that they basically can take the impulses at any time i.e. when the venue isn't booked anyway - could even be in the middle of the night. Heck, they often wouldn't even have to bring their own miks.

[machinesworking]

a) there is no reason to assume the Altiverb makers themselves flew to (say) Cardiff in order to record some IRs (which are relatively simple to capture as compared to say a drum- or an orchestral-library).

Well, yeah, there is. They have dozens of photos and videos of them on their website and youtube channel doing just that, flying around the world capturing IR's. Tough to take your opinion seriously if you won't do a basic google search to back up your claims.

b) there is no reason to assume they paid - if any at all - the full renting fee for the venue in question. That's just not how it works. You have to keep in mind that they basically can take the impulses at any time i.e. when the venue isn't booked anyway - could even be in the middle of the night. Heck, they often wouldn't even have to bring their own miks.

Traveling with expensive mics etc. costs money, the cost of a venue for an hour or two is a small portion. The cost of Altiverb is too high I agree, but the cost of collecting their IR's can't really be denied.

[jens]

They have dozens of photos and videos of them on their website and youtube channel doing just that, flying around the world capturing IR's.

There's a few of them, taken over the span of more than a decade - exaggerating dramatically doesn't really help you making your point.

If they asked me to make some nice IRs for them, I certainly could snag a few pics too while I'm at it - no big deal at all.

(As I hinted at before) Most venues already have a suitable assortment of mics (KM184, C1000, MD441, etc. are the usual suspects) by the way (plus, of course some recording device).
(And whenever the Audioease-guys capture the IRs themselves, than can bring their own gear i.e. that's effectively free).

Traveling with expensive mics etc. costs money

The way you say that it sounds like it was more expensive to travel with mics than without...

[careyletendre]

Not even ducking or a dynamics section... $500?! It's 2023!

How much much would you have to pay to rent one hour at St. David's Hall in Cardiff in 2023?!

lol... what an insanely absurd argument.

Yeah, It's perfectly reasonable to expect people to work for free.