expensive algorithmic reverbs vs convultion

[jamcat]

The by far best reverbs developed by a genius are about 20 only right now and were that price in the past, too, so not expensive at all .

Which reverbs are you talking about?

convulsion reverbs

[BackInCheck]

I think it's an issue of preference. I'm not much into the digitial reverb sound with heavy modulation (think Lexicon or 80s reverbs), but more into electro-mechanical plates & springs and real room ambiences. That's why I prefer convolution, since it's easier to get that authentic sound from an impulse response than from a Lexicon emulation / digital reverb algorithm.

As some have already pointed out: impulse responses are static and won't change over time. That can be a downside, if you depend on that modulated sound, but it never bothered me.

When it comes to impulse responses of other algorithmic / digital hardware devices and plugins: I found that convolution can capture the essence of them quite realistically and get you there 95%. But of course once again you won't have the modulation aspect and are very limited in shaping the reverb sound (changing it's crucial parameters). You basically only have one particular setting (or a collection of single settings to choose from), but cannot alter the parameters much.

On the Altiverb website, which is a purely convolution reverb, they have a section where they compare the sound of the real digital hardware reverbs they captured to the sound of the impulse response. To my ears the difference is subtle, you can hear that the hardware has more alive modulation, but it's only a subtle difference:

https://www.audioease.com/altiverb/ (scroll down to the heading "Classic reverb gear")

[antismap]

Thanks all for the great input!

[egbert101]

Finally a reverb thread

No one has mentioned reverb in this thread yet.

[martiu]

LiquidSonics Cinematic Rooms Pro very good, buy now

[mothra]

*beautiful applies equally to Celine Dion, Cannibal Corpse, and the new Peter Gabriel album I have on right now.

I was looking for the "Meat Hook Sodomy" preset but couldn't find one in any of the plugs...

[No_Use]

Algo works so well, even with simple "maths", as it is an "analog" of a) the signal and b) the real world. Therefore we accept it as part of the illusion of a band in a space. IRs come unglued and break the illusion, even if initially it seems more amazeballs - maybe in part because it always feels a bit broken so it is a bit exciting/frightening.

This is imo quite an undifferentiated statement.
If an algo reverb is LTI it can be perfectly recreated with an IR.

edit:
I mean respective 'snapshots'.
Tweakability algorithmic vs IR is another story of course.

[metalifuxx]

[Benedict]

*beautiful applies equally to Celine Dion, Cannibal Corpse, and the new Peter Gabriel album I have on right now.

I was looking for the "Meat Hook Sodomy" preset but couldn't find one in any of the plugs...

That would seem a rather mean thing to do to poor Celine LOL


(I always use Cline vs Corpsies as a contrast - it is rather hard to find anyone who is equally a fan of both, more likely they luv one and hate the other).

[lolilol1975]

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Why u no buy for me

[martiu]

LiquidSonics Cinematic Rooms Pro very good, buy now

Why u no buy for me

i spend all money on beer

[dionenoid]

LiquidSonics Cinematic Rooms Pro very good, buy now

Why u no buy for me

i spend all money on beer

Drink enough beer and every reverb will sound very good.

[rj0]

The by far best reverbs developed by a genius are about 20 only right now and were that price in the past, too, so not expensive at all .

Which reverbs are you talking about?

convulsion reverbs

My reverb convulsed ...,
then rolled over and died.

[lolilol1975]

LiquidSonics Cinematic Rooms Pro very good, buy now

Why u no buy for me

i spend all money on beer

[jamcat]

I believe the perfect reverb doens't exist.

Kierkegaard would say the perfect reverb is the reverb that God hears.