Twin3

[gaggle of hermits]

why oh why can't every synth be like every other synth? then they will all be top tier. and utterly homogenised.

[Jac459]

why oh why can't every synth be like every other synth? then they will all be top tier. and utterly homogenised.

I get what you mean ...

...BUT....

a fabfilter synth, being like any other "mega synth", but in a fabfilter way is about the best idea I have heard today .

[gaggle of hermits]

why oh why can't every synth be like every other synth? then they will all be top tier. and utterly homogenised.

I get what you mean ...

...BUT....

a fabfilter synth, being like any other "mega synth", but in a fabfilter way is about the best idea I have heard today .

and I get what you mean.

that wouldn't be twin - which has always been a kind of quasi-moog thing with a load more modulation.

and fabfilter don't really do "mega". the reverb has a limited set of controls but some you don't get in most other reverbs, such as the frequency-based rt60 control. timeless does multitap now, but it's not stuffed full of controls like uvi relayer.

if you follow the graphics-oriented approach they take, you'd maybe wind up with something like cableguys' curve, but I doubt they'd do anything like vps avenger.

[Jac459]

why oh why can't every synth be like every other synth? then they will all be top tier. and utterly homogenised.

I get what you mean ...

...BUT....

a fabfilter synth, being like any other "mega synth", but in a fabfilter way is about the best idea I have heard today .

and I get what you mean.

that wouldn't be twin - which has always been a kind of quasi-moog thing with a load more modulation.

and fabfilter don't really do "mega". the reverb has a limited set of controls but some you don't get in most other reverbs, such as the frequency-based rt60 control. timeless does multitap now, but it's not stuffed full of controls like uvi relayer.

if you follow the graphics-oriented approach they take, you'd maybe wind up with something like cableguys' curve, but I doubt they'd do anything like vps avenger.

Ok, then we have different perspective on Twin 3... I am not a VA fan at all (because of the type of sound I am looking for). I own Diva but I am ashamed to say that I use it very little...
The Moog still is not what I am looking for... What I love about Twin 3 is the instant visual feedback and the simplicity of the workflow... It is a tool that makes me a better sound designer... Because it is so instinctive and so visual...
Avenger is immensely fun and even more powerful... But it is really usable for me only since V2... When Avenger remind me how mediocre I am at sound design, Twin 3 make me feel than finally I don't suck so much at it....
Yet, FM, better rounting options would be awesome...

[zvenx]

Maybe one day FabFilter will create a synth with wavetables etc..
rsp

[zerocrossing]

If it were a Rob Papen synth, they would include a little paint program so you can paint in your own oscillator.

But yeah, why not BOTH analog modeled oscillators and wavetables? Pugments does it, why not every other synth.

I see why they didn’t do it. The focus of Twin has always been the unique filter topology. That’s the real point of it. That said, I think it’s somewhat bare bones, and while wavetables may not be a conceptual fit, I think that adding pre and post filter effects would be really useful. Image a stripped down Saturn algorithm being inserted into the chain. Bit and rate reduction, that sort of thing.

[replicant X]

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[fisherKing]

anyone know of any soundbanks available for this? (i have the discovery, orpheus, & pro expansions)...

[Introspective]

anyone know of any soundbanks available for this? (i have the discovery, orpheus, & pro expansions)...

Honestly I didn't even know those existed! :S Do you recommend them?

[fisherKing]

anyone know of any soundbanks available for this? (i have the discovery, orpheus, & pro expansions)...

Honestly I didn't even know those existed! :S Do you recommend them?

yeah, they're pretty good (and all i can find)....

[zerocrossing]

+1 for Wavetables

I’m in the wavetable camp as well. How could it hurt? Don’t like it? Don’t use it.

By default, this synth has a drive behind the modulation and reverb effects. This is the open secret of ambient drone sounds. The various modulations are also very cool and suitable for drones. If it's still the 2000s.

I was unaware that drive and modulation went out of style.

Analog modeling isn't bad, but it's a common taste, and compared to the latest analog sounds from TAL, G-Force, and U-He, it doesn't feel like a great quality. KingKorg Neo sounds 10 times better.

This is quite a bizarre statement. Twin 3 isn’t an analog emulator. Does it include some analog modeling, here and there? Sure, but it is pretty clear this isn’t an instrument aimed at people who are looking for the sound of an analog synthesizer.

Also, in terms of analog modeling, Diva bested the KingKORG and since they didn’t update the engine, and software has progressed, that would put the KingKORG Neo pretty low on the list of top analog emulations in 2024.

Don’t get me wrong. I had a KingKORG, and it was a good instrument, capable of making very cool sounds. Lots of digital mayhem can be had with the alternative oscillator modes, but it’s capable of being warm and sweet, too. However, if you’re going to start cork sniffing, it’s best to not stuff that one too far up your nose.

[art&sound]

Twin 3 is excellent. I do wish it had more presets, and thankfully, they've started building a better preset management system, but I think it still needs a little work. I really wish they'd get the initials out of the presets of their plugins (with Twin, it's only the old ones - which they should just update by adding the name to the metadata and allowing those older presets to live with the others so they don't feel archived.

[Jac459]

+1 for Wavetables

I’m in the wavetable camp as well. How could it hurt? Don’t like it? Don’t use it.

By default, this synth has a drive behind the modulation and reverb effects. This is the open secret of ambient drone sounds. The various modulations are also very cool and suitable for drones. If it's still the 2000s.

I was unaware that drive and modulation went out of style.

Analog modeling isn't bad, but it's a common taste, and compared to the latest analog sounds from TAL, G-Force, and U-He, it doesn't feel like a great quality. KingKorg Neo sounds 10 times better.

This is quite a bizarre statement. Twin 3 isn’t an analog emulator. Does it include some analog modeling, here and there? Sure, but it is pretty clear this isn’t an instrument aimed at people who are looking for the sound of an analog synthesizer.

Also, in terms of analog modeling, Diva bested the KingKORG and since they didn’t update the engine, and software has progressed, that would put the KingKORG Neo pretty low on the list of top analog emulations in 2024.

Don’t get me wrong. I had a KingKORG, and it was a good instrument, capable of making very cool sounds. Lots of digital mayhem can be had with the alternative oscillator modes, but it’s capable of being warm and sweet, too. However, if you’re going to start cork sniffing, it’s best to not stuff that one too far up your nose.

I wouldn't mind wavetable but my priority would be more routing capacity for the effects and also some more FM/AM or audio rate modulations.

[nusound mind]

I think it sounds great and is easy to get some crazy movement and action going with it. In a way it fulfills what I loved about how easy it was to do mod madness on Pigments but sounds substantively better. I have wavetables on other synths so that's not a problem for me per se, if I want that.

And the filters on it are fabulous. Ok sorry about that line not my best work I'll show myself out.

[comfortablynick]

I'm new to the soft synth world but I really like Twin 3. I also picked up Pigments 5 on sale and I'm enjoying that too. I feel they complement each other. It's also nice to use Twin 3 on my iPad (though I wish I didn't have to pay for it again).