M4L is even much more capable... but in terms of ease of use, not so much. When I still used Live, I tried to make stuff a few times in M4L and gave up. It was too much of a learning curve for me. I never made a single thing in M4L over years of Live use.apoclypse wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:19 am I'm not sure Bitwig "wins" because of Note Grid when Ableton has M4L. Not only does M4L work as midi effect devices and generators, but it also now works in the PR. So the argument is if Bitwig has midi or generative devices, so does Ableton. A lot of them in-fact.
I still prefer the way they are implemented in Bitwig, but I wouldn't call it a "win" when M4L can do so much more than Note Grid.
Bitwig's Grid on the other hand, I successfully made something within a few minutes the first time I tried it and I've been making stuff in it ever since. Note Grid is easy to do simple, use specific patches in a fast fluid way.
