PRJ Sokolich New Music Composition and Variation Techniques

[Philip Sokolich]

Ancient Greek Philosophers wrote about all of the aspects of life, perception of reality, and natural phenomena. Read Plato on The Music of The Spheres, THE PLANETS, and you will see Plato wrote in this dialogue The Music of The Spheres, THE PLANETS, is inaudible to humans. And, my New Music Exact Temperament Tuning A = 384, and A = 384 Transposition / Tuning to / from A = 256, is New Music with fully audible New Music Pitch frequencies, compare the sound of Pitches, Tones, Overtones, and Music to the old disproportionate A = 440, you hear, audibly, the New Tuning A = 384, and Tramposition / Tuning of A = 384 to / from / for A = 256, is not de/retuning, not even in Cadences... my productions of the Big Ben Chimes, demonstration the A = 384, and Transposition / Tuning from A = 384 to / from A = 256, are New Tunings with no distortions of Pitches, Tones, not even the Overtones, obvious demonstration the New Tuning is awesome for full Compositions, and Variations. For those in love with Well Temperaments of Equal Temperament with Octaves not in Proportion, you know, from Well Temperaments, and from the Average and Aggregate Tunings of the Ancient Greeks and the Ancient Chinese Pitch Cycles for Equal Temperament tuning, including the later Chinese Prince Zhu Zaiyu "On The Equal Temperament" of 1584, you can mix and match Proportions, Temperaments, and Tunings, as many do more of with Custom Tunings these days, in Songs, EDM remixes. There are many other important Ancient Mathematicians, Astronomers, and Music Theorists relevant to Music Tunings we enjoy, including Ptolemy. You are aware VST Music Production of full compositions on a laptop required HD, 64 GB of RAM, and 2 T, often higher, of ROM, very, very expensive, as you know from online demo. productions, with many of these laptops for VST Music production of full compositions as dedicated Music hardware, offline. If you enjoy detuning of Pitch bending in- and out of Tune -/ disproportionate Tuning frequencies in- and of Octaves -/ disproportionate Tuning Systems -/ disproportionate Proportions -/ Temperaments -/ Tuning-/s for Music beyond mere effect of Music Tone as Tone of the Artist, Subject Matter, perhaps as abstract Music production as / from abstract, non-representational Paintings, and abstract, non-representational Sculptures for outdoor installations near Offices, Libraries, and other places, be happy!

[vurt]

wibble.

[jancivil]

I was going to leave this one alone and hopefully it fades into obscurity. But Mr Sokolich, not perceiving the hole he'd dug for himself in the OP was a hole, kept digging once the skeptical replies came in.

So the OP apparently wants to call attention to something or things linked he had done in the past, but that post has no real content as regards new musical or composition ideas at all, so it doesn't work as an attractor to the other material. I'm not going to follow up to see more, there's no "there" there and I wouldn't wager on it appearing elsewhere.

Are there organizations like orchestras or other groups doing A = 448? I doubt it. I remember a dozen years or so ago when certain of VSL's libraries began to set their factory default at A = 442. This follows the fact that some European orchestras had adopted that, one supposes this occurred in Vienna. I have no insight into the politics or what-have-you of that and being that I'm not going to be dealing with these orchestras have no reason to care about a 'why'. Higher and higher tuning standards isn't novel. Observing that standards have been re-arbitrated again and again over centuries, always higher reminds me of 'the loudness wars' in recorded audio.

Setting a "VST" master tuning knob 8 cycles higher than the vast majority of instrument plugins' factory default isn't in itself a musical idea. There was no discernible reason given for the notion at all.

Plato's notions regarding music have no bearing whatsoever on musical life today or at any juncture in the past. The things from those writings that kinda sorta do have a tangential relation to musical ideas have no actual musical usefulness. "Dorian mode" et al spoke of a tribalism, and Plato's ideas here were basically kind of fascistic.
Music of the Spheres is not an actual thing. Music is physical, music that doesn't sound is a nonsense.

this is all the purest of bullshit

[Philip Sokolich]

...as you see, New Music Custom Tunings are actual, and preservation of the old frequency Tunings/Tuning Systems for preservation of old Music Compositions exist for preservation. New Music Versions, and Remixes, in Custom Tunings and Detunings do exist, as you know from Electronic Dance Music, and many songs from Progressive Rock musicians years before Elecrronic Dance Music. Plato on The Music of The Spheres is relevant, nevertheless, as you see with many other philosphical writings of many other Ancient Philosophers, too, on later Philospohers, Scientists, Engineers, Inventors, and Musicians with Music, Mathematics, Proportions, Sciences, Natural Sciences of Principles of the Ancient, and later Philosophers... the Idea of the inaudible frequencies beyond human perception preceeds use of highest frequencies in communications signals for Broadcasting and Communication, and useful Ultrasound medical imaging. Abstract use of Numbers for Measures of Time and Things with Mathematical Models is 100% relevant and useful. If you suggest I am in some sort of trouble, you are mistaken, to say the least, and you, with your would-be threats to my Freedom and Life, and use of vulgar language, are in Violation, including Violation of the rules to post on this forum.

[BertKoor]

Regarding Plato, the planets and music, that is not conpletely wrong. On wikipedia it is far better worded:

Plato described astronomy and music as "twinned" studies of sensual recognition: astronomy for the eyes, music for the ears, and both requiring knowledge of numerical proportions.[4]

> You are aware VST Music Production of full compositions on a laptop
> required HD, 64 GB of RAM, and 2 T, often higher, of ROM, very, very expensive

No, this is a delusion, untrue, and you must know that.

I am aware though that when I first created music on a computer (ca 1981) it could only beep at integer frequencies and it was awfully tempered.
Pythagoras knew better and will turn in his unmarked grave: you need fractions, not pure integers.

[whyterabbyt]

and you, with your would-be threats to my Freedom and Life

Liar.

[jancivil]

I just really don't like fraudulence.

The whole thing is bizarre. The very first thing we see in the topic title is the original poster's name, citing himself.
Ok, it's one thing to bring one's ideas as a topic for discussion.

Example: I thought for a minute yesterday to bring in, from a video on the YouTube, the concept Fourth Mode of the Minor Blues Scale. I know that scale. In Hindustani music it's the Marwa Thaat. It has an unusual effect in itself. Between what this guy Ben had done with it - a musical composition - what it is in the kind of ancient scale form; its ramifications in its consequent compositions; comparisons from where the eponymous raag differs from the parent scale, and other children of that parent... similar concepts now pop to the surface from a lot of areas...
at some point I might bring in what I did with it, or I might think better of it if I doesn't seem to add a lot. It would be some stuff to think about and spur ideas. It's a music theory topic. I never thought of modalizing blues scale, there's a hook.

It would not be a thread title starting with my own fuckin' name.

"PRJ Sokolich" is not a name of note. The initial post does not deal in new musical anything nor do we encounter a single compositional idea. There is instead a child's game with numbers to no discernable point. So far this is as ignorable a thing to see on a forum there can be. Then some one laughs at C = 256 conflated with the name Pythagoras. PRJ, dude, you've exposed youself. So now we see what people that don't know how to argue but are driven to nonetheless always do:
PIVOT. Here the comeback is "what you're missing is..." some hooey about Ancient Greek Philosophy. Nothing about the music theory that may comport with that (a pretty technical subject really) just some posturing throwing a sort of inchoate reception of buzz points at the reader.

I don't wonder a lot about why people do totally whacked out shit, not really my business but the whole thing is kind of just an affront to the subforum and its readers.