Ensoniq DP/4 Emulation Incoming!

[VariKusBrainZ]

I was shocked at the price, for a bit level accurate emulation I was expecting at least double that

[mothra]

I don't understand the policy of some developers. It's far too expensive, considering that we'll soon have authentic emulation for free (The Usual Suspects project).
75 dollars is very expensive. I'd love to support the developer, but not at that exorbitant price.

If $75 is too expensive for a plugin, you need a new 'hobby'. Do you have any idea what it takes to code an application in general? Do you have any idea what kind of time this person put into studying the hardware and getting it working? And he's supposed to just give it to you for free or what? Guess its a good thing you don't own or work in a real studio or you would whine about having to pay $50 for a handful of cables just to plug in your gear.

TUS software is technically only for the folks that actually own the hardware and can provide their own ROMs to use with it. Get off your high horse and support legitimate developers.

[zvenx]

"Our emulators are intended for use only by owners of the actual hardware. As such, we expect common sense with respect to discussing usage of our emulators. We expect you to read your hardware manuals and be familiar with the synth."

from TUS Discord channel.

Personally, one of my good friends, whose studio I worked in at times, mixing albums for him, had a DP/4.. honestly I never found it that special but I know many have clamoured for this in software for years and I am wishing the developer all the success with this.
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[mholloway]

$75 for a complete emulation of the ensoniq DP/4 with all the benefits of a plugin over hardware (routing! multiple instances! ) is an outrageously _awesome_ price. This dev is kicking a**, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm happy to support his hard work. Oh, and it's LEGAL to own and use it, too, what a concept (re: TUS)

WELP..... gotta revise all the above now that I know this is a "vibe coded" plugin. (see post below).

[RobGee]

I had a quick demo earlier of the flanger and phaser, very underwhelming. The Reaktor zdf flangers and phasers are much better in my opinion

[mholloway]

Apparently this dev uses Claude Code to make his plugins and just *assumes* they are accurate recreations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471648

So... take from that what you will. But this certainly casts a dark shadow over this project and the "hard work" we spoke of above likely needs to be reconsidered.

These are "vibe coding" projects, and his product page certainly isn't making that clear -- a "painstaking recreation" -- painstaking for who, exactly? Prompting Claude and handing over the ROM and docs doesn't sound very "painstaking" to me....

[dayjob]

Apparently this dev uses Claude Code to make his plugins and just *assumes* they are accurate recreations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46471648

So... take from that what you will. But this certainly casts a dark shadow over this project and the "hard work" we spoke of above likely needs to be reconsidered.

These are "vibe coding" projects, and his product page certainly isn't making that clear -- a "painstaking recreation" -- painstaking for who, exactly? Prompting Claude and handing over the ROM and docs doesn't sound very "painstaking" to me....

Oof. Curious, Did Claude code even exist when he made his other plug ins?

Kind of a drag really if the Ai coding is true. Seems like it based on that link.

Strange. Maybe that’s what “instruction accurate” means?

[mholloway]

Oof. Curious, Did Claude code even exist when he made his other plug ins?

Kind of a drag really if the Ai coding is true. Seems like it based on that link.

Strange. Maybe that’s what “instruction accurate” means?

The link I shared is the dev describing how he used Claude Code to create his Space Station plugin, so, yes? I'm extrapolating from that information -- and the way he describes the "role" he's taken on since using AI -- that DEEP/4 was created the same way, since it's even newer.

[dayjob]

Oof. Curious, Did Claude code even exist when he made his other plug ins?

Kind of a drag really if the Ai coding is true. Seems like it based on that link.

Strange. Maybe that’s what “instruction accurate” means?

The link I shared is the dev describing how he used Claude Code to create his Space Station plugin, so, yes? I'm extrapolating from that information -- and the way he describes the "role" he's taken on since using AI -- that DEEP/4 was created the same way, since it's even newer.

makes me feel a little icky. i’d rather support a developer who does the work.. it’s one thing to use Ai make a plug in for oneself.. but to offer it for sale? i don’t know.. i’m of two minds on it. it’s a longer discussion that feels exhausting to think about.

kinda revealing though after checking out the demo for a while today. parts of it sound good but i had some issues with feedback routing, decay times for reverse reverbs and some weirdness there… but i could’ve been doing something wrong. multiple delays were making for some funky rhythms though.. it does have a DP/4 kind of vibe to it…

[dayjob]

I was shocked at the price, for a bit level accurate emulation I was expecting at least double that

i think there’s some discrepancy about what “bit accurate” vs “instruction accurate” since per the link in this thread the developer is using Claude code to vibe his way into making plug ins and doesn’t know any DSP himself. weird. so, i don’t know if i’d describe it as “bit accurate” unless he reveals a lot more about his process.

[plexuss]

FFS lads.

It’s obvious the developer put a huge amount of time and effort into this project. The demo sounds fantastic, and you can tell a lot of care and expertise went into building it.[snip...}

Suck it up buttercup, people are free to say what they want within the constraints of the rules.

[mholloway]

FFS lads.

It’s obvious the developer put a huge amount of time and effort into this project. The demo sounds fantastic, and you can tell a lot of care and expertise went into building it.[snip...}

Suck it up buttercup, people are free to say what they want within the constraints of the rules.

Well this is all the funnier now because we've since learned the developer put exactly *zero* expertise into it -- he fed the DP/4 ROM, docs and spec into Claude Code, that was his "expertise."

[plexuss]

FFS lads.

It’s obvious the developer put a huge amount of time and effort into this project. The demo sounds fantastic, and you can tell a lot of care and expertise went into building it.[snip...}

Suck it up buttercup, people are free to say what they want within the constraints of the rules.

Well this is all the funnier now because we've since learned the developer put exactly *zero* expertise into it -- he fed the DP/4 ROM, docs and spec into Claude Code, that was his "expertise."

Isn't that against the rules aka The Law?

[VariKusBrainZ]

I heard Ai is making people dumber

[dayjob]

I heard Ai is making people dumber

people are saying that.