21st April Oberheim, Linn Drum, DX7, ...day!

[wagtunes]

Everyday is DX7 day for me, and no question OPS7 by Plogue is by far the best emulation of it and then you can put it in extended mode and you get additional waveforms beyond sine, advanced MOD Matrix, feedback available on every operator, and Step Sequencers for modulating parameters on individual operators

I have to admit it is a cool DX 7. I am using it on my current track "Don't Throw The Baby Out"

[Uncle E]

I thought you were joking but nope. Brilliant detective work.

Sad, very sad, and I'm not just talking about the death of Prince but also one individual's pathological obsession over him.

Maybe it's a character he's concocted and this is some master tier trolling.

And by "he", I'm of course referring to Prince himself, who's writing to us from beyond the grave.

[digitalboytn]

Everyday is DX7 day for me, and no question OPS7 by Plogue is by far the best emulation of it and then you can put it in extended mode and you get additional waveforms beyond sine, advanced MOD Matrix, feedback available on every operator, and Step Sequencers for modulating parameters on individual operators

[DCrown]

Shouldn't we celebrate the day he was born rather than the day he died alone in an elevator?

He was so smart to leave at the right time in 2016, he would only suffer today with ai and lack of creativity today. "Real music by real musicians"(Prince).
As a Jehova's witness he didn't celebrate birthdays.
He died 21st April 2016, a death always should be celebrated, cuz you are released from hell on earth
21st April is my birthday btw, I played on my nylon string guitar and sang his song Paisley Park and then 30 minutes later read on the internet he was found dead in Paisley Park's elevator. I couldn't speak for days.

Prince immortalized the sound of Oberheim synths and Linn drum in his songs. He would add Boss pedal effects to Linn Drum, especially BF-1 flanger. He also used DX7 and Jupiter 8 frequently in 1980ies.
On his first album Mini Moog and ARP String Ensemble and Polymoog. 1978 -1982 ARP Omni II and the ARP Pro Soloist. In 1988 and later also Roland D-50.

[CapnLockheed]

Ignorance does not protect against stupidity.

Ignorance can be remedied. Unfortunately, there's no fixing stupid.

[zvenx]

I am curious to know the source/sources about Prince and the Jupiter 8.
I don't recall ever seeing one... and I have listened to/ or read a lot of the interviews with Dr. Fink and Morris Hayes and the two Susans and I don't' hear them mention it).

For example..
https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2018 ... nthesizers

and

what I found on AI coincides with my memory of what I have read over the years...

AI Overview
Based on available information regarding Prince's musical gear, he was a prolific user of diverse synthesizers throughout his career, heavily utilizing Oberheim analog synths in the early 1980s before transitioning to digital in the mid-to-late '80s and beyond. While Morris Hayes (long-time keyboardist for Prince) often discusses Prince's methods, the following is a comprehensive summary of the synthesizers Prince utilized:
Key Synthesizers Used by Prince

Oberheim Series: Crucial to the "Minneapolis Sound," Prince used the Oberheim 4 Voice (first album), OB-X (Dirty Mind), OB-SX (Controversy), OB-Xa (1999), and OB-8 (Purple Rain).
Yamaha DX7: Became his main synthesizer for the Around The World In A Day era and featured heavily on Purple Rain, often used for its presets (e.g., the Koto setting on "When Doves Cry").
Roland Keyboards: In the late '80s and '90s, he shifted to the Roland D-50 (used on Lovesexy, Batman), JV-80, JD-800 (used on Emancipation), and A-90.
Sampling & Digital Tech: He used the Fairlight CMI on the Parade album and tour, along with Ensoniq samplers (Mirage, EPS, ASR-10) and E-mu modules.
Other Keyboards: ARP Omni II (used with Oberheims on "1999"), Moog Minimoog (and later the Voyager), Fender Rhodes, and Hammond B3 organ.
Later Years: In the 2000s, he favored the Yamaha Motif series (6, ES8, XF8) and incorporated the Clavia Nord Lead.

rsp

[jamcat]

Shouldn't we celebrate the day he was born rather than the day he died alone in an elevator?

I just figured DCrown was celebrating Robert Smith's birthday.

[DCrown]

I am curious to know the source/sources about Prince and the Jupiter 8.
I don't recall ever seeing one... and I have listened to/ or read a lot of the interviews with Dr. Fink and Morris Hayes and the two Susans and I don't' hear them mention it).

For example..
https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2018 ... nthesizers

and

what I found on AI coincides with my memory of what I have read over the years...

AI Overview
Based on available information regarding Prince's musical gear, he was a prolific user of diverse synthesizers throughout his career, heavily utilizing Oberheim analog synths in the early 1980s before transitioning to digital in the mid-to-late '80s and beyond. While Morris Hayes (long-time keyboardist for Prince) often discusses Prince's methods, the following is a comprehensive summary of the synthesizers Prince utilized:
Key Synthesizers Used by Prince

Oberheim Series: Crucial to the "Minneapolis Sound," Prince used the Oberheim 4 Voice (first album), OB-X (Dirty Mind), OB-SX (Controversy), OB-Xa (1999), and OB-8 (Purple Rain).
Yamaha DX7: Became his main synthesizer for the Around The World In A Day era and featured heavily on Purple Rain, often used for its presets (e.g., the Koto setting on "When Doves Cry").
Roland Keyboards: In the late '80s and '90s, he shifted to the Roland D-50 (used on Lovesexy, Batman), JV-80, JD-800 (used on Emancipation), and A-90.
Sampling & Digital Tech: He used the Fairlight CMI on the Parade album and tour, along with Ensoniq samplers (Mirage, EPS, ASR-10) and E-mu modules.
Other Keyboards: ARP Omni II (used with Oberheims on "1999"), Moog Minimoog (and later the Voyager), Fender Rhodes, and Hammond B3 organ.
Later Years: In the 2000s, he favored the Yamaha Motif series (6, ES8, XF8) and incorporated the Clavia Nord Lead.

rsp

You are right, Dr. Fink would use Roland 50 on Lovesexy tour in 1980ies and Lisa Coleman mainly played Oberheims.
Prince would use Roland JD 800 in 1990ies, I am not a big Roland fan, anyway, but it doesn't matter, what I prefer.
So J-8 didn't play an important role for Prince's music, Oberheim defined the Minneapolis sound.
There's some wrong information on the internet saying the 1999 chords are J-8, it is definetely Oberheim, maybe layered with Arp omni.
I think I listened to everyinterview on Prince, too many gear mentioned, so J-8 was wrong.
Well, the only gear associated with Prince, I would regularly use as a fan, is DX7 and Pultec Eq, would be completely lost without Pultec and there are quite a lot of good emus, sometimes BF-1.
I don't like using channel strips, but whenever I do use I prefer API over SSL and Neve.
Prince primarily used a heavily customized API/DeMedio console.

[BONES]

Shouldn't we celebrate the day he was born rather than the day he died alone in an elevator?

I'm more than happy to celebrate the day he died. Good riddance. But it was also Queen Elizabeth II's birthday, even though we celebrated it in June (which was actually her father's birthday, they never bothered changing it), as well as The Cure's Robert Smith and my baby brother.

Prince immortalized the sound of Oberheim synths and Linn drum in his songs. He would add Boss pedal effects to Linn Drum, especially BF-1 flanger. He also used DX7 and Jupiter 8 frequently in 1980ies.
On his first album Mini Moog and ARP String Ensemble and Polymoog. 1978 -1982 ARP Omni II and the ARP Pro Soloist. In 1988 and later also Roland D-50.

Who f**king cares? I find it extremely strange that anyone has even the slightest interest in shit like this. Do you think his music would have been any different if he'd used completely different synths? Of course it wouldn't and it seems really disrespectful to me to suggest that it might. Do you think your music will be any better if you use the same instruments?

Seriously, I've seen hundreds of great bands and what gear they've used has only ever been an item of idle curiosity. If I'm honest, I'd be more interested in what cars they drove.

[DCrown]

Shouldn't we celebrate the day he was born rather than the day he died alone in an elevator?

I'm more than happy to celebrate the day he died. Good riddance. But it was also Queen Elizabeth II's birthday, even though we celebrated it in June (which was actually her father's birthday, they never bothered changing it), as well as The Cure's Robert Smith and my baby brother.

Prince immortalized the sound of Oberheim synths and Linn drum in his songs. He would add Boss pedal effects to Linn Drum, especially BF-1 flanger. He also used DX7 and Jupiter 8 frequently in 1980ies.
On his first album Mini Moog and ARP String Ensemble and Polymoog. 1978 -1982 ARP Omni II and the ARP Pro Soloist. In 1988 and later also Roland D-50.

Who f**king cares? I find it extremely strange that anyone has even the slightest interest in shit like this. Do you think his music would have been any different if he'd used completely different synths? Of course it wouldn't and it seems really disrespectful to me to suggest that it might. Do you think your music will be any better if you use the same instruments?

Seriously, I've seen hundreds of great bands and what gear they've used has only ever been an item of idle curiosity. If I'm honest, I'd be more interested in what cars they drove.

I couldn't care less whether you care or not.
You are a joke.
Of course Prince would be a different Prince without Linn Drum, lots of hits have the Linn,
he would still have succeeded without Linn or Oberheim, but the famous Minneapolis Sound is Oberheim, whether you care or not.
And Prince of course was not the only one to use Oberheim.
Thousands of guitarists always talking about what effects Jimi Hendrix used and imagine he played a Fender Stratocaster, ever heard of it,? Oh, how could I forget you don't care.
Who ever said I wanted to sound like Prince or I would even dare think I am as good as him?
Of course, I am.interested in what he used and I am not the only one! I mentioned I use two things regularly as plugins that Prince used, I don't use it because of him, I do like these instruments, that's why.

Imagine even Tom Oberheim.. "the influence of his instruments, especially on major artists like Prince, is well-recognized in the history of his company" and you can be sure he was proud, same with Linn.

Roger Linn, the inventor of the Linn LM-1 Drum Computer, is very aware that Prince used his machines and has publicly stated that Prince was crucial to the success of his company. Linn described Prince as a "genius" who used the LM-1 in highly creative, non-stock ways to create his 1980s sound.

And you really think your opnion matters more than the opinion of the creators of these instruments?! lol

[D-Fusion]

I don't get the obsession when it comes to what certain bands or artists used in the past.
Almost all of the synths from that era was extremely limited which gave them the sounds we have heard 1000 times over from various synths over the years and vst's and modern digital synths are more interesting than these old rusty muesum pieces to me.

What i find interesting is the melodies of the past and most of them was made by a few big studios and various people and the Artists was mostly front figures so people could have someone to relate to.

Look at how many that was behind making Albums for Michael Jackson for example or any of the other artists from that era.

[DCrown]

I don't get the obsession when it comes to what certain bands or artists used in the past.
Almost all of the synths from that era was extremely limited which gave them the sounds we have heard 1000 times over from various synths over the years and vst's and modern digital synths are more interesting than these old rusty muesum pieces to me.

What i find interesting is the melodies of the past and most of them was made by a few big studios and various people and the Artists was mostly front figures so people could have someone to relate to.

Look at how many that was behind making Albums for Michael Jackson for example or any of the other artists from that era.

I haven't heard any other musician with Prince's Linn drum sound and everyone who knows Prince knows why. Who is Michael Jackson? You probably mean Michael Jordan, whom Prince as a skilled basketball player liked.
Same with Prince's guitar sound, unique, in this case , cuz only he used that pretty cheap Telecaster imitation.
Also electric bass was pretty outstanding whenever he played bass cuz of his playing style and skills, even Larry Graham said he had to learn some bass licks from him, when he joined him.
lol to say musicians were mostly front figures in a studio when it is about Prince, tells me you know nothing about him and his workflow, who also had his bedroom studio in Minneapolis before he fulfilled his dream and vision with Paisley Park.
All Prince needed was assistance here and then cuz he didn't have 8 arms, he was the full package.

ah, now I remember, Michael Jackson the dancer!
Yes, he had to hire people to record songs, very different from Prince who could play lots of instruments and knew how to steer a console and knew about mic positioning.and studio gear.

(me, it was irony, I think you were not refering to.just Prince, but rather in general)

I also prefer no emus in plugin world like Avenger.

[D-Fusion]

I don't get the obsession when it comes to what certain bands or artists used in the past.
Almost all of the synths from that era was extremely limited which gave them the sounds we have heard 1000 times over from various synths over the years and vst's and modern digital synths are more interesting than these old rusty muesum pieces to me.

What i find interesting is the melodies of the past and most of them was made by a few big studios and various people and the Artists was mostly front figures so people could have someone to relate to.

Look at how many that was behind making Albums for Michael Jackson for example or any of the other artists from that era.

I haven't heard any other musician with Prince's Linn drum sound and everyone who knows Prince knows why. Who is Michael Jackson? You probably mean Michael Jordan, whom Prince as a skilled basketball player liked.
Same with Prince's guitar sound, unique, in this case , cuz only he used that pretty cheap Telecaster imitation.
Also electric bass was pretty outstanding whenever he played bass cuz of his playing style and skills, even Larry Graham said he had to learn some bass licks from him, when he joined him.
lol to say musicians were mostly front figures in a studio when it is about Prince, tells me you know nothing about him and his workflow, who also had his bedroom studio in Minneapolis before he fulfilled his dream and vision with Paisley Park.
All Prince needed was assistance here and then cuz he didn't have 8 arms, he was the full package.

ah, now I remember, Michael Jackson the dancer!
Yes, he had to hire people to record songs, very different from Prince who could play lots of instruments and knew how to steer a console and knew about mic positioning.and studio gear.

What Prince did has nothing to do with the instruments he used.
He had great ideas that turned out to be good songs and the Instruments was only a secondary tool to get the sound out and the songs would have been just as good if he started today with vst's or anything else than the original synths that was used.

It is not the Instruments that makes the music.
They are not some magic hit makers with some secret fairy dust in it.
It is the people and the ideas behind a song that makes the song any good and you can make a hit song or a crappy one no matter what synthesizer you use

[DCrown]

"which gave them the sounds we have heard 1000 times over from various synths over the years and vst's and modern digital synths are more interesting than these old rusty muesum pieces to me."

Well, on one side for example dx7 sounded similar on different songs, well, you could add your effect, reverb, delay, comp, console etc, on the other side a new plugin is released, let's call it Zebra and hundreds of daw users will use the same plugin with less creative results most of the time than back in the day, cuz today we have too many options and focus on the wrong things
and then we have ai today lol
well, you can add new features to a vsti emu, that is somehow nice.

[Teksonik]

I played on my nylon string guitar and sang his song Paisley Park and then 30 minutes later read on the internet he was found dead in Paisley Park's elevator. I couldn't speak for days.

Don't waste your time arguing with someone this pathologically obsessed.

"A pathological obsession is a persistent, intrusive, and uncontrollable preoccupation with a specific thought, person, or activity, often causing severe distress and impairing daily functioning".

Even though DCrown's multitude of silly threads annoy the crap out of me I have nothing but sympathy and pity for him because it must be a hard life suffering from such a debilitating affliction.