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experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:11 pm

i've used chainer , xT , and mini-host for
random pre-set generation , but i must say , that dons' combo suggestion of xT , along with mini-hosts' keyboard , makes alot of sense ...

i'll be trying that out ...
thanks for the tip ...

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:13 pm

You don't require a license for either eXT or Mini-Host to do the things I have explained, either. And it's nowhere near as complicated as you think it is; just try it out & you'll see.

Either way, good luck!

I have an eXT license. So this is good.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:14 pm

I'm just a dumb guitarist too, Gordon.

Seriously, I've messed with almost every host out there & this is the fastest method I have found with the highest yield of useable results for preset generation without requiring actual programming talents.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:25 pm

I will give a serious try tonight. Thanks again. I am hoping I can finally manage to a new preset out of Albino 2.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:30 pm

Should be pretty easy. Just make sure you keep your eyes on parameters that don't behave well under randomisation like attack. When you are doing random/morph generation, you can have a great preset right there but not know it cause an attack gets set to a level that's too high to ever allow a note to be heard, which is why I prefer to isolate attack, release, & volume from bieng effected.

Doesn't Albino have a randomizer on it? Not that it could be better than what I suggested, but I thought it did..

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:40 pm

Look at the bottom left near the volume knob & you'll see a 'gen' button. Click the logo & you'll get thab synth's rear panel where you can determine the amount of random generation from values of 1-100. Then click the gen button to scramble the synth.

The results stink, IMO, but that's a quick & dirty way to do it in any host with Albino2.

My method is way better

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:44 pm

Should be pretty easy. Just make sure you keep your eyes on parameters that don't behave well under randomisation like attack. When you are doing random/morph generation, you can have a great preset right there but not know it cause an attack gets set to a level that's too high to ever allow a note to be heard, which is why I prefer to isolate attack, release, & volume from bieng effected.

Doesn't Albino have a randomizer on it? Not that it could be better than what I suggested, but I thought it did..

Good advice. How do you isolate a parameter in eXT though.

Albino 2 does have a randomizer! Cameleon 5000 does. The point is that I want a bit more control than that. The blend feature in eXT looks like it should give me that.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:48 pm

Beardedone wrote:
Should be pretty easy. Just make sure you keep your eyes on parameters that don't behave well under randomisation like attack. When you are doing random/morph generation, you can have a great preset right there but not know it cause an attack gets set to a level that's too high to ever allow a note to be heard, which is why I prefer to isolate attack, release, & volume from bieng effected.

Doesn't Albino have a randomizer on it? Not that it could be better than what I suggested, but I thought it did..

Good advice. How do you isolate a parameter in eXT though.

Albino 2 does not have a radomizer AKAIK. Cameleon 5000 does. The pointy is though that I want a bit more control than that. The blend feature in eXT looks like it should give me that.

The gen button I mentioned is Albino2's randomizer.

Look in eXT's preset generator window & to the left you'll see a long column. You'll need to set which parameters you want randomized there. There's a drop down tab at the top that toggles between 'use all' or 'use selected'. Best to turn em all on by clicking on the parameters and exclude the ones I mentioned.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:52 pm

OK that's good, but how do I isolate a parameter to keep it from being morphed?

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:04 pm

Beardedone wrote:OK that's good, but how do I isolate a parameter to keep it from being morphed?

heh..uh..

"Look in eXT's preset generator window & to the left you'll see a long column. You'll need to set which parameters you want randomized there. There's a drop down tab at the top that toggles between 'use all' or 'use selected'. Best to turn em all on by clicking on the parameters and exclude the ones I mentioned."

Look at that screenshhot I posted of eXT's preset generator window. See that list on the left? That's you r synth's parameters. Clicking on one will toggle between an on & off state for the randomizer.

The parameter lists can become quite long, especially with monsters like Albino, but if you have 'Use all' selected, you'll only need to click on a parameter to disable it's randomization.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:10 pm

Clicking on one will toggle between an on & off state for the randomizer

OK this is all conceptual until I get in front of my DAW tonight. I understand it to the point of knowing visually which state is off and which toggle state is on? Sorry if this a moronic question?

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:18 pm

No sweat, Gordon. It's nice helping someone else out for once

Ok, look at this screenshot:

When you are in the 'Use all'state, you will randomize all parameters EXCEPT what you have selected like I do here with volume. The 'Use selected' is the inverse of this method. I don't recommend using the 'use selected' setting unless you have a very specific component of the synth you wish to randomize & know it's exact function & parameter titles.

That help?

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:22 pm

Perfectly I am very psyched to give it a go.

Thanks so much Sickle!
Gordon

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:44 pm

Hey Sickle. I had few minutes to try it out last night with DDSP's Phantom and with Sytrus VST - these being impossible synths for me to program- I actually was able to pull off an interesting preset with Phantom!

Sytrus not so easy and will take more time.

Tobybear's Minihost is a nice but I still do not see the advantage of MiniHost it over eXT SA with my keyboard or using a sequencer like Fruity, Live or Sonar to do duty looping a chord or arp. With MH I still need to hold key down - there appears to be no way to trigger continuous looping.

Best,
Gordon

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:46 pm

Beardedone wrote:there appears to be no way to trigger continuous looping.

Best,
Gordon

Turn on the mini-sequencer in the midi tools window.

Host with preset blender