Just curious...Reason sound quality...

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Are you insecure in your choice? If you love your program and work well with it, why do you care so much? Why do you always attack everyone saying they have sub-par production skills? And why are you especially aggitated when FL Studio is mentioned?
You may as well ask are the attackers insecure in their choice (i.e. does Reason give them the willies, and they're unable to switch to it solely because of dependency on plugins and MIDI out), why do they care so much that they attack Reason so often, why do they stress an irrelevant "icing on the cake" level of phatness that's going to get eq'd or mixed out anyway over incredibly important issues such as productivity, flexibility and stability (some of Reason's very strong points IMO), and why (almost culturally) FL Studio users are usually the attackers. :)

As for sub-par production skills, Reason does take more production knowledge to get to grips with than your average plugin host. Some folks think they know what Reason's capable of by loading up some presets in the Subtractor and calling it a day...I mean seriously - dull? thin? If you can't easily make Reason sound far too bright or phat for practical use, your studio skills probably are sub-par.

Someone's got an inferiority complex or needs to prove something to themselves and everyone else, and I doubt it's primarily the Reason users because the attacks outweigh the defences. It simply draws a conspicuous amount of contrived, agenda-riddled flack, way out in "the lady doth protest too much" vein. :?

Reason isn't even my main host anymore, but the amount of just out-and-out bollocks (you can tell because often there's no consistency to the attacks) posted about it online is unbelievable.

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The thing is. Nobody attacked Reason in this thread. One person just asked what was with problem with the sound quality in Reason, and another guy referred to the well know site where Reason and FLS' timing was compared. This is a well known issue that Prop. is fixing in version 3.0, yet this led to a guy saying that it was people with sub-par production skills who claimed this.

To conclude Reason does have a timing issue not a sound quality issue in terms of sound level etc.

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didnt reason output in 16 bit at one point - or is that my fevered imagination ?

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Krakatau wrote:
advaya wrote:. I guess a lot of the sound quality issues can be attributed to the user's skill level! :P
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"les mauvais ouvriers ont toujours de mauvais outils !"

CROACK !
Hmmm... I am not sure what that reply means, but my statement was not meant to offend anyone... I was merely making an observation.

I have heard/read complaints about the quality of almost every sequencer's audio engine. Go to cubase.net and do a search for 'sound quality' and read some of the humerous posts... "My tracks sound all muddy at the lower frequencies, and too boomy at the very bottom... There must be something wrong with the audio engine!!!" Go to cakewalk.com and type in the same search... 20-40% better anyone? :roll:

I am not sure just how this 'sample accuracy' problem sounds in a real-world situation... I am not saying that it doesn't exist, guess I don't know what to listen for to confirm either way...

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I'd give same advice i've given many times - in 99.9% of cases its bullshit to say "software X has crappy sound quality".

What this more often means is that the user has little skill in mixing, patch creation etc.

This isn't an insult, i'm pretty shit at it myself. But the fact remains that there is great music made in nearly any music package you care to name, because the real talent lies with the producer not the software.

In case of reason, i'd agree that the subtractor is a bit thin sounding. However, Reasons strength is low CPU and stability as well as modular setup. So you can layer up several subtractors to make fatter VA sounds, and it won't whoop the CPUs ass.

So in conclusion - what you get out of your software is what you put it. Ignore anyone who gives you shit about software choice - they're either just plain bored or they're bitter they have had no luck - either way the calling card of a someone who needs to get out more.

Use what you like and trust your own ears - f**k what everyone else thinks :)

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Also, it might be that Reason isn't sample accurate, but it only means it's a couple of samples away from the accurate position. E.g. if you use 44100 Hz, which means 44100 samples pr. second, and you want a sound at position 44100 then Reason might place it at 44092. I challenge anyone to hear this difference. It's not possible.

People concerned with sound quality should try and use their time to make some great music instead.

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More like its hard to make one single reason instrument sound like superwave p8. This should be alleviated with the Combinator in Reason 3.

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More like its hard to make one single reason instrument sound like superwave p8.
I think the Malstrom can supersaw (one of the graintables is for eight saws or something). There's several decent recipes on Reasonstation from memory.

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advaya wrote:
Krakatau wrote:
advaya wrote:. I guess a lot of the sound quality issues can be attributed to the user's skill level! :P
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"les mauvais ouvriers ont toujours de mauvais outils !"

CROACK !
Hmmm... I am not sure what that reply means, but my statement was not meant to offend anyone... I was merely making an observation.

This means more or less (in froggy language !!!)

"Bad workers always have bad tools"

no offense for me... just a little joke...CROACK !!!

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:wink: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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P,S, for your guidance, Geneva lies in the frensh language area of switzerland...CROACK !!!

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Krakatau, you ok bro? :?

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Personally I'm not into attacking ANY host or musical instrument.

But I will say that Reason definitely sounds better on my system when it's rewired into Logic. Don't ask me why though.

8)

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As i do,...better experienced on the logic's sequencer,... the one from reason seems reduced for me

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I'm ok, don't worry, just felt a bit dissapointed because i took a huge thread and a big collection self-made samples, and no answers during 36 hours


though they had big sucess on propellerhead's forum
this though i was an absolute newbie on their forum

i just...CROACK...showed my dissapointment that way

(... but, don't worry finally have big fun !!! )

CROAK !

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(i'm even thinking i should have choosen CROACK as my Nickname !!!)

:lol: :P :lol: :cry: :lol: :P :lol:

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Don't ask me why though.
It's probably the panning law on Reason's mixer making things 3db quieter than Logic's mixer.

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I guess this is the URL you were looking for: http://members.shaw.ca/stu.macQ/. Although I'm not sure if this really matters that much...

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Although I'm not sure if this really matters that much...
No, but it's worth a chuckle...
Either Reason or Fruityloops was not triggering the samples accurately. This astounding revelation led me to run further tests.
Astounding! :lol:
In a software program that allows off-line exporting of audio, timing inaccuracies are simply unacceptable. Moreover, if the initial waveform is being altered WITHOUT any user-influenced processes being applied to it, the reliable output of the program comes into serious doubt.
OMG!!!!11!1!!1oneoneone :shock:

Serious doubt? Simply unacceptable? Oh, the humanity! You heard the man; Quick, everyone switch to FL Studio!

Do it for the kittens and the puppies... :lol:

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