KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:08 pm

Urs wrote: Also, with a G5, you can still organize your photos and play back mp3s (Are they kidding? - A dedicated music machine that can't play back mp3s?)

I happen to think about that as utter nonsense too. A program such as Irfan View doesn't affect audio performance at all. The same goes for a lot of MP3 players. And it's even true for most programs (unless they're permanently running in background).

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:09 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Anyone know how I could tweak my XP system to run like this?

Agree 115%

Sascha Franck wrote:First off: WAY more important than ANY tweak: Your system components. It's by far NOT only the CPU, amount of RAM and amount of fast harddisks you will need to tweak.
Still, if I was about to build a kickass machine, I would start all the way from the scratch and only use the best components out there, especially regarding mainboard, CPU, RAM and audiocard.

I agree also 115% I built my DAW from the ground up with this in mind.

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:11 pm

oops. I wanted to quote Sascha on the first paragraph.

caganer · Post by **caganer** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:14 pm

Urs wrote:
mauseoleum wrote:http://musicxpc.com/products/c2/c2_performance.htm
They've been using old G5s. Nowadays they should've taken Dual 2.5 Gigs, which means you gotta add 25-30% more to each number of instances.

Also, with a G5, you can still organize your photos and play back mp3s (Are they kidding? - A dedicated music machine that can't play back mp3s?)

Cheers,

Urs

Seems like your trying to say that the test is not fair or something.
The comparison is between a lousy P4 3.0GHZ and a DUAL MAC G5 2GHz...and the Intel beats it on both tests.
Wonder what would happen when comparing a dual Opteron 2.0GHz and a Dual G5 2.0Ghz Mac

Now that would be a more fair comparison

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:21 pm

IT would run 100% more synthedit plugins in 100% more instances of FL studio.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:22 pm

m|7o wrote: Now that would be a more fair comparison

Well, right now IMO there's nothing like a "fair" comparison - basically because many apps used by Mac users are Mac-only (and partially vice versa).
If you take Logic for example, it still doesn't do the best job with several 3rd party plugins, but the internal plugins just smoke, due to their highly optimized code. Come on, show me any PC which will run 50 instances of a plugin similar to Space Designer.

I'm the last person to defend Macs or so - all I wanted to say is that you really can't exactly compare the two.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:32 pm

mauseoleum wrote:http://musicxpc.com/products/c2/c2_performance.htm

funny how they show the tests for the maximum number of 'waves reverbs' as if the results on their pc was better than the results on the G5 - if that isn't a sad attempt at cheating...

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:58 pm

ok this is cpu load test graph from ableton forums. g5 surely looks good and has that *moneymaking* formfaktor, but some pc cases look classy too. If someone has to prove he has too much money, he can either get a G5 or an overpriced dual cpu pc-workstation, which can get pricier than macs.

for the rest of us, I guess none of above really matters.

btw. those damn vaios look so stylish.

edit - forgot to add tags, plus a thought - sure there are workstations above 5000$, but there's a pricetag where you get decent set for lot less - either for home or for project/moneymaking use.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:06 pm

mauseoleum wrote:If someone has to prove he has too much money, he can either get a G5 or an overpriced dual cpu pc-workstation, which can get pricier than macs.

I chose a Mac based on the reputation. IMO, it is well deserved. I love mine. If I had chosen on price alone. I probably would've chosen a PC, and loved it.

There are a number of factors beyond just demonstration of affluency.

For example, my grandmother bought a Mercedes. Not to showboat, but because she wanted a reliable, low maintenance car that would last forever. It has proven itself to be as mortal as any other car from any other manufacturer. But that's another story.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:12 pm

Infact many "expensive, prestigious, and luxury" autos are much less reliable than your average family car. I wouldnt buy a handbuilt car unless I had enough money to pay a towtruck driver to follow me.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:13 pm

I was reguarily doing 35+ plugins on projects in Logic 4 on my 1.7ghz Intel with 20+ audio tracks at around 50-60% CPU. So yes, it's totally possible.

Devon

caganer · Post by **caganer** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:19 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:
m|7o wrote: Now that would be a more fair comparison
Well, right now IMO there's nothing like a "fair" comparison - basically because many apps used by Mac users are Mac-only (and partially vice versa).
If you take Logic for example, it still doesn't do the best job with several 3rd party plugins, but the internal plugins just smoke, due to their highly optimized code. Come on, show me any PC which will run 50 instances of a plugin similar to Space Designer.

I'm the last person to defend Macs or so - all I wanted to say is that you really can't exactly compare the two.

They compared Waves plugins which are available in both platforms, what's wrong with that?

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:23 pm

m|7o wrote:plugins which are available in both platforms, what's wrong with that?

Generally speaking, cross platform code is usually more efficient on one platform. Especially code that began its life one one platform.

I don't know specifically about waves.

digitaldoom · Post by **digitaldoom** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:29 pm

Great information in this thread!!

My specs are as follows:

Intel Motherboard
P4 2.26
1gb of PC2100 (I know it's old and slow)
Delta 1010

I have a removable hard drive system in there also so I can tweak on ver of XP for audio... and then I can throw in my other drive when I want to play games...

I'm going to build a newer faster system soon so these tips are going to come in very handy.

Anyone have any good P4 motherboard(s) with good disk controllers to recommend?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:55 pm

mauseoleum wrote:http://musicxpc.com/products/c2/c2_performance.htm

And its in a MiniPC form-factor. Imagine how much better the results would be if they used an Athlon64!!!

Plugin Limit on Mac vs PC