KVR Audio

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:16 pm

that bothered me with tls before. this w1 sounds cool and uses near-0 cpu.

Klemperer · Post by **Klemperer** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:25 pm

thank you! I don't know how L1 sounds/sounded but this is great...

gyohng · Post by **gyohng** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:01 am

Hello!

"just spotted" your discussion.... (with a help of griels)

I wasn't aware of TLS - downloaded and tested it. Sounds like a distort box to me.

TLS seems to work ideally on single sine waves, but once you have at least _TWO_ sine waves (what to say about more complex signals), it starts to do it in the wrong way.

I guess, it might result out of an improper use of a known analytic signal processing techniques.

Here's a two-sine test that screws TLS maximizer:

http://www.yohng.com/pvt/limitertest.zip

P.S. the topic - I wouldn't call it "Waves L1 freeware", the Waves guys might get pissed off...

Though probably as long as you don't add 'Ultramaximizer', you are not infringing any trademarks.

Thanks,
George.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:15 am

Hay thanks for this freebie! I'm checkin it out now .

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:19 am

Gyohng, I have no idea how you arrived at that result with TLS - are you saying that you just ran 2 overlapping sine waves through it? What settings did you use?

jtxx000 · Post by **jtxx000** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:19 am

So how does this limiter sound in comparison to the Ozone's?

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:27 am

verstaerker wrote:
chagzuki wrote:I think you're a bit confused here. TLS doesn't let peaks through.
i know but it doesn't sound good - go and try it

I think your signal path is at fault somehome. Your output is clipping and producing distortion and you introduce TLS and the distortion remains? What are you talking about?
What do you mean, one is a maximizer and the other a limiter? What exactly is a 'maximizer' other than another name for a limiter?

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:28 am

jtxx000 wrote:So how does this limiter sound in comparison to the Ozone's?

Poor. It is indeed close to L1, which is incredibly dated now.

gyohng · Post by **gyohng** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:09 am

Mac OSX version is in.

gyohng · Post by **gyohng** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:53 am

I would leave terms aside.

Please, check this file again:
http://www.yohng.com/pvt/limitertest.zip

I have added test tones, processed tones, and picture with explanation.

When I have run TLS Maximizer in a sharp mode over a music piece, I had an impression of a hard clipper. In dull mode it sounds less obtrusive, but still distorts (harsh).

This might be however acceptable for trancelike music, where clipping is not very critical.

L1/W1 working with 15ms release (which is quite small) didn't give any obtrusive artifacts.

The frequency response of W1 exactly matched L1's.

Tell me if you can make TLS perform better. I don't take 'it just sounds better'. It was the first thing I did - listened to its sound, and it was seriously distorted.

The only material that TLS performs great on - is pure sine tones.

chagzuki wrote:
verstaerker wrote:
chagzuki wrote:I think you're a bit confused here. TLS doesn't let peaks through.
i know but it doesn't sound good - go and try it
I think your signal path is at fault somehome. Your output is clipping and producing distortion and you introduce TLS and the distortion remains? What are you talking about?
What do you mean, one is a maximizer and the other a limiter? What exactly is a 'maximizer' other than another name for a limiter?

ddummer · Post by **ddummer** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:43 am

Sharp + fast transient mode gives a release time of ca 0.5ms so yes it will sound pretty harsh at +16db.

But instead of a flat line you get a preserved shape
at the clip points.

Version 1.1 has a knee mode to keep things down a bit
where I would regard this as a kind of added release
time. Still a full 'Dull' wouldn´t get you up to 15ms so this comparison is a bit off.

But hey, it is pretty popular around here to show
charts to prove how much things suck.

//Daniel

Scr1pt3r · Post by **Scr1pt3r** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:59 am

gyohng , can you test Voxengo Elephant ?

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:06 am

I did a side by side test with both L1 and TL's, and I still think I get better sound with TL's. Just MHO. L1 sounds good tho.

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:25 am

ddummer wrote:Sharp + fast transient mode gives a release time of ca 0.5ms so yes it will sound pretty harsh at +16db.

But instead of a flat line you get a preserved shape
at the clip points.

Version 1.1 has a knee mode to keep things down a bit
where I would regard this as a kind of added release
time. Still a full 'Dull' wouldn´t get you up to 15ms so this comparison is a bit off.

But hey, it is pretty popular around here to show
charts to prove how much things suck.

//Daniel

Yo, Nice to see you around here again. Interesting.

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:33 am

Thanks for the elaboration Gyohng. I'll be extremely interested to see your forthcoming limiter compares.