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vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:19 pm

you are indeed more c**nty than me

nice piece of country music sleek,can we have some in yer face rock tho now just so i know your ok

fraid i dont have much experience in the genre other than possibly randy newmans track on toy story

Mental Audio Deviations · Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:53 am

mmmmmmmmmmmm country, headbangers chill-out music. Cool tune. Been listening to Johnny Cash last night so I've had enough trains and prisons for now.

You™ · Post by **You™** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:18 pm

Not too shabby, Sleek. The guitars sound great and your voice works well - the ride gets a little monotonous but that's no biggie.

What, pray tell, what this hired for anyway? Not another indie flick that doesn't get played anywhere east of Vine...

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:59 pm

Yeah, the ride annoys me, too, as does the overall lack of drum programming...

Time was tight.

The movie is called 18 fingers of death. It's on imdb...it's a kung fu spoof crossed with Hollywood shuffle kinda thing...

There's a scene in a country bar and...

-S.

You™ · Post by **You™** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:16 pm

You haven't done any acting have you? OK, I suppose everyone out in La La Land has had a bit part or been in extra in something, but you've never had a guest appearance on "7th Heaven," right?...

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:19 pm

Loves me some pedal steel.

- m

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:57 pm

You haven't done any acting have you? OK, I suppose everyone out in La La Land has had a bit part or been in extra in something, but you've never had a guest appearance on "7th Heaven," right?...

Not that I know of...

-S.

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:57 pm

merkelford wrote:Loves me some pedal steel.

- m

Well, Mr. Ford, that wasn't an actual pedal steel, but an imitation using a little gadget called the Epiphone EZ bender, which fits on any guitar with a Les Paul style bridge system...

...but this brings up an interesting question...(for me anyway)...and since you're something of a programmer yourself, perhaps you can answer/solve this question.

How can we emulate a pedal steel with synths/could you build a pedal steel emulator?

This isn't as easy as it sounds, because the whole charm of pedal steel is that it changes one note at a time within a chord.

...yeah, you could run multiple instances of a synth, bending one, but that would be gay.

So, how about it, M.? Got a virtual instrument that you can bend notes independantly in you?

...it's have to incorporate the volume swell/slow attack of steel also, but have that be variable, as there are times when notes are hit with quick attack also...

Hmmmmm....this could be cool...

I'l Pm. This to you also, but also post it here so all and sundry can weigh in on it.

-S.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:24 pm

Sleek Month wrote:Well, Mr. Ford, that wasn't an actual pedal steel, but an imitation using a little gadget called the Epiphone EZ bender, which fits on any guitar with a Les Paul style bridge system...

Oh, I got that much. In fact I was secretly disappointed that I have no guitars with appropriate bridges. Actually, I do have a cheap Ovation acoustic that I'll like to hook a Hipshot trilogy bridge to someday to cover my alternate-tuning fetish (not a bending thing, though)...

How can we emulate a pedal steel with synths/could you build a pedal steel emulator?
[...] yeah, you could run multiple instances of a synth, bending one, but that would be gay.

Really, you do have to treat each string as an independent sound generator. Either you set up multiple synths as you mention, or you have to custom-code one to be multi-timbral.

So, how about it, M.? Got a virtual instrument that you can bend notes independantly in you?

Not in the works. I am working on a scripting system for my Yamaha EZ-EG guitar that will allow me to send to one channel per string and only apply the whammy bend to the strings I want. But that's a solution for multiple gay daisy-chained synths.

...it's have to incorporate the volume swell/slow attack of steel also, but have that be variable, as there are times when notes are hit with quick attack also...

You could certainly do volume swells with your mod wheel: luckily, that's on an all-strings basis. Or you could have average note velocity do a switch between swelled and picked notes.

So what's the simplest way to set this up so that you get the taste of pedal steel in a synth?

One way is that you could set it up such that a second tone is automatically generated in relationship to the first. So you play the tonic note and the second note generated is a minor-to-major third (or sixth), depending on where your pitch wheel is at (and the tonic doesn't respond to the pitch wheel!). This would be akin to how the Digitech Whammy pedal operates in "Harmony" mode.

But then... how do we get a decent control over sliding from note to note aftward? I've never really found a natural way to control portamento rate. And even then you might not want to go directly to the pitch of the note: you get that real "blue" sound from sliding in from under or over it while changing your interval with the pedal.

One other trick to possibly incorporate is holding the bar oblique to the strings, such that they go slightly microtonal at different rates! But that's probably far more than is needed.

If anything, at least a pedal steel would be an easy instrument to multi-sample, or even outright synthesize!

- m

multree · Post by **multree** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:54 pm

very laid back.... I like

I am more country than you.