uh... me?Carbonboy wrote: who would climb aboard a closed application nowdays?
Fruity or Reason
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Valencia, Spain.
Even though the two programs are diffrerent in its way of working, in the end it's just a matter of feeling confidfent with a program. In the long run both programs do the same.
For me the differnce would be...do you want to expand your studio and be able to use vst synths and effects apart from those of the host? then go for FL Studio.
For me the differnce would be...do you want to expand your studio and be able to use vst synths and effects apart from those of the host? then go for FL Studio.
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- KVRAF
- 3299 posts since 7 May, 2004 from Athens, Greece
I don't like Reason nor FL, I am a Tracktionhead.Carbonboy wrote:There is nothing you can do in Reason that you can't in FL Studio
BUT this statement would be valid if it was something like "There is nothing you can do in Reason that you can't in eXT". And I am talking about routing and modulations stuff. You know, hit tab and the rest will follow. However I am happy with the routing functionality of Rack Filters in Tracktion. Just my 0.02$.
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
As usual, my advice would be "try 'em both and see which works for you." I've looooved Reason for years, and lately have been puttin' some even more serious lovin' on it. Some impressive additions have been loaded into the upcoming version.
Closed? Less open than I'd like, but unless you plan to use ONLY Reason, that's a red herring. Using Reason alongside Sonar or Live, I can make music that incorporates Reason's amazing CV and gate/trig routing power along with all my favorite VSTs. (IMO the richness of all those CV routing possibilities is the biggest factor lifting Reason above its competition and opening up possibilities usually found only in modular synths.)
What I can't do is route an external audio stream through Reason's effects, which is too bad -- but I'll live! :-D There are work-arounds if I really truly just have to use a BV512 Vocoder or a Scream 4 on the output of Cameleon or SampleTank or DR-008 or MMV.
When I tried Fruity it struck me that it was easy to achieve simple results, but a lot stood between the novice and mastery. Learning Reason was a far more friendly, intuitive experience for me (though everyone's different, and it might not be for you).
So: Reason = great stuff; Fruity = great stuff; pick the one that lets you work the way you like. Whichever you choose you're going to have a powerful music-making tool. Ain't choice wonderful?
Meffy
Closed? Less open than I'd like, but unless you plan to use ONLY Reason, that's a red herring. Using Reason alongside Sonar or Live, I can make music that incorporates Reason's amazing CV and gate/trig routing power along with all my favorite VSTs. (IMO the richness of all those CV routing possibilities is the biggest factor lifting Reason above its competition and opening up possibilities usually found only in modular synths.)
What I can't do is route an external audio stream through Reason's effects, which is too bad -- but I'll live! :-D There are work-arounds if I really truly just have to use a BV512 Vocoder or a Scream 4 on the output of Cameleon or SampleTank or DR-008 or MMV.
When I tried Fruity it struck me that it was easy to achieve simple results, but a lot stood between the novice and mastery. Learning Reason was a far more friendly, intuitive experience for me (though everyone's different, and it might not be for you).
So: Reason = great stuff; Fruity = great stuff; pick the one that lets you work the way you like. Whichever you choose you're going to have a powerful music-making tool. Ain't choice wonderful?
Meffy
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- KVRAF
- 2859 posts since 21 Feb, 2003 from Woodstock, GA USA
I'm with Meffy. Try them both. There is a reason that both programs are successful.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
... and both are very different, and set to become even more different with Reason 3.0
As part of your decision making, you really must look at the video of James Barnard demoeing Reason 3.0 at NAMM.
In terms of positioning Reason as a program, Propellerheads seems to be significantly shifting their emphasis with version 3.0.
No longer are they stressing that Reason is a self-contained soft-studio. Rather, they are emphasising it as a performance instrument.
Check the video (which includes live jamming) and you'll see what I mean.
As such I find Reason indispensible. The included sound modules and bundled sounds (which are greatly expanded in v.3.0) provide most of wehat I need. For example, Reason comes bundled with a full-on multisampled, velocity layered symphony orchestra (the Stockholm Phil, I believe) which is a fantastic perk!
And of course Reason has always maintained a far greater degree of stability than any other music software, and is more CPU friendly than a collection of VSTs.
With FL you don't get the same sense of it being an instrument, but is more of a studio application. And the bundled sounds don't compare with Reason's - hence you need a good set of VSTs to get good results in FL.
As part of your decision making, you really must look at the video of James Barnard demoeing Reason 3.0 at NAMM.
In terms of positioning Reason as a program, Propellerheads seems to be significantly shifting their emphasis with version 3.0.
No longer are they stressing that Reason is a self-contained soft-studio. Rather, they are emphasising it as a performance instrument.
Check the video (which includes live jamming) and you'll see what I mean.
As such I find Reason indispensible. The included sound modules and bundled sounds (which are greatly expanded in v.3.0) provide most of wehat I need. For example, Reason comes bundled with a full-on multisampled, velocity layered symphony orchestra (the Stockholm Phil, I believe) which is a fantastic perk!
And of course Reason has always maintained a far greater degree of stability than any other music software, and is more CPU friendly than a collection of VSTs.
With FL you don't get the same sense of it being an instrument, but is more of a studio application. And the bundled sounds don't compare with Reason's - hence you need a good set of VSTs to get good results in FL.
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from Norway
When I saw the v.3 slogan for Reason, "Play your reason system", I kinda thought is was a bit of a payback to Ableton for the VSTi support in Live 4.
With Live 4, you didn't really need Reason anymore for an easy way to get sounds directly into Live.
Now, it seems Reason users will no longer need Live for an easy way to take your songs on the stage.
I imagine a lot of people who got Live prior to v4 also got Reason, and vice versa. Now, new Live users have a choice between Reason and VSTis, whereas with Reason 2.5 people pretty much needed Live to go, erm, live. With v3, they no longer need Live.
Of course, there might be entirely different reasons for the focus of Reason 3. I'm just speculating.
With Live 4, you didn't really need Reason anymore for an easy way to get sounds directly into Live.
Now, it seems Reason users will no longer need Live for an easy way to take your songs on the stage.
I imagine a lot of people who got Live prior to v4 also got Reason, and vice versa. Now, new Live users have a choice between Reason and VSTis, whereas with Reason 2.5 people pretty much needed Live to go, erm, live. With v3, they no longer need Live.
Of course, there might be entirely different reasons for the focus of Reason 3. I'm just speculating.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 27 Sep, 2003 from Reston, VA.
I started out using FL Studio and now do almost all my work in Reason ReWired to Tracktion.
FL can do a lot of stuff. Unfortunately I didn't find the interface intuitive to work with and had trouble finding a good source to learn how to use the program.
Reason along with Tracktion fit the way I work better. Reason also comes with a good set of sounds and it is easy to find many more on the net.
As others have said, best to try out the demo's of both programs and see what you like best.
FL can do a lot of stuff. Unfortunately I didn't find the interface intuitive to work with and had trouble finding a good source to learn how to use the program.
Reason along with Tracktion fit the way I work better. Reason also comes with a good set of sounds and it is easy to find many more on the net.
As others have said, best to try out the demo's of both programs and see what you like best.
Formally the mephit called DrakeBP
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- KVRian
- 903 posts since 14 May, 2003
Get both and ReWire them into SX or Tracktion in addition to the standalone mode--awesome setup.
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- KVRian
- 1144 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from tOKYO
or just get both and rewire Reason into FL.
Sidhu,
its a good thing that you had the sense to post this question here instead of some place like Future Producers. So far everyone here has given you advice while avoiding turning the thread into yet another "host war". I can only imagine the replies you would be getting on FP..."FL is for noobs" "Reason sucks" etc etc...all without any further explanation of course..
Sidhu,
its a good thing that you had the sense to post this question here instead of some place like Future Producers. So far everyone here has given you advice while avoiding turning the thread into yet another "host war". I can only imagine the replies you would be getting on FP..."FL is for noobs" "Reason sucks" etc etc...all without any further explanation of course..
Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good
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- KVRist
- 331 posts since 30 Mar, 2003
I said it's *cool* yes...but also broken. It seems that the fact 95% of reason uses re-wire it to something else proves that fact. They are using it as a big 'VSTi'...it's the instruments you love not the program. If they were all sold separately as VSTi's I am sure many would abandon it over night.ttoz wrote:Who said Reason is broken? why, because it doesn't crash like every other windwoz app out there? oh, yeah, i gess that means it IS *broken*
Everything you can do with FL (besides audio RECORDING), you can do in reason.
The original poster gave me the impression that the purchase they were contemplating was going to be their only platform. If this is the case then FL, Live, Cubase etc etc is a better move.
----what the critics have to say
--------Reason 3 - Now 85% less interesting
Inevitably, the mighty Sound on Sound have just got the real scoop on Reason 3. No VST instruments, no audio recording. The combinator will just let you save a chain of instruments and effects as one 'combi patch' (whatever that means), plus there will be some new sounds etc. Blah.
Carb.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
There is a flaw in your logic Carbonboy.
A product is "broken" if it does not do what it claims.
Reason DOES do what it claims. It does not claim to record audio or host VSTs, but Propellerheads have themselves developed the ReWire protocol so that Reason and ReBirth users can use their products in conjunction with other software should they choose to. Reason is not broken, because it does everything it claims to do without a hitch.
Not so Fruityloops. If the regular - alomost daily - complaints from Fruityloops users on this forum are to be believed, FL regularly crashes, is full of bugs, and has serious problems. In other words, FL is broken, because it does not successfully fulfil all its makers' claims.
Propellerheads have a strict and commendable policy of only releasing software once they are absolutely sure that it works. It seems to me a great shame that some other developers are less scrupilous in their dealings with customers.
A product is "broken" if it does not do what it claims.
Reason DOES do what it claims. It does not claim to record audio or host VSTs, but Propellerheads have themselves developed the ReWire protocol so that Reason and ReBirth users can use their products in conjunction with other software should they choose to. Reason is not broken, because it does everything it claims to do without a hitch.
Not so Fruityloops. If the regular - alomost daily - complaints from Fruityloops users on this forum are to be believed, FL regularly crashes, is full of bugs, and has serious problems. In other words, FL is broken, because it does not successfully fulfil all its makers' claims.
Propellerheads have a strict and commendable policy of only releasing software once they are absolutely sure that it works. It seems to me a great shame that some other developers are less scrupilous in their dealings with customers.
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- KVRist
- 331 posts since 30 Mar, 2003
Trust me, FL Studio core program is STABLE. It's all the poorly writen (usually free) 3rd party plugins that cause trouble. This is one reason why 'reason' is stable. If FL only used the native plugs it would never crash either.headquest wrote:There is a flaw in your logic Carbonboy.
A product is "broken" if it does not do what it claims.
Not so Fruityloops. If the regular - alomost daily - complaints from Fruityloops users on this forum are to be believed, FL regularly crashes, is full of bugs, and has serious problems.
I use FL Studio in an audio production business, so I hammer it 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, no problem. If it was as buggy as you say I would have dumped it years ago.
Carb.