Setting up a WebSite

[VitaminD]

http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp

enjoy

I learned html though.. from a rough w3 guide (IIRC) about 8 years ago and looking at other ppl's code along with it..

bruteforce trial and error and a guide on what the basic tags do .. from there you can pretty much do all html.

the great thing about HTML is you cant crash the browser if you leave out a tag or if your 'code' is incorrect.. no memory leaks.. its simple.

treat it as simple and it will be simple

try to make it complicated and you will probably succeed in doing so..

[Glassback]

I like the absolutely appalling jokes scattered about the pages:

Internet Joke
Customer: "I want to download the Internet. Do I need a bigger hard disk?"

They really are bad.
That one, though, reminded me of this:
http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html


(actually, that page looked remarkably familiar...)

[Har]

And for those times when you might feel particularly hard-core ...there's the home of the wonderful Sir Tim himself:

http://www.w3.org/

..and of course, The Man himself:

http://www.w3.org/People/all#timbl

[Glassback]

oooo-kaaaayyyy... so I think we've established by now that W3 is perhaps not a bad source of info.

[Soniccat]

haydxn wrote

i think it's a more rewarding experience if you stick at using something like HTML beauty.. that's what i'm using at the moment, deciding that if i use a notepad type program it may aswell make my life a *bit* easier!

of course there's nothing wrong with using an arrangement/wysiwyg program if the guts and bolts aren't so much of a concern to you.

if you get into it, tho, like i said it can be quite rewarding to do it by hand.

and also, if you do get into it, i strongly recommend you look at css if you plan on having more than a few pages, and having any kind of layout consisting of more than mere text.

feel free to give me a shout too if you need any help!

my website is http://haydxn.net - i'm still designing it at the moment so there's not any content up there for the next few days but if you fancy looking it's an example of using css to keep the html side of things limited to the actual content (rather than formatting/layout)

Thanks haydxn, I got a degree in art/design back in the days when the net did not exist as we know it today. I feel it is important for me to do my own artwork so I may have to take a course on the more complex stuff. There is a local clinic here that offers free courses in web design so I will have to check that out this summer.
Thanks for the offer may be hearing from me some time down the road.

Glassback wrote

You might find a lot of very useful info here:

http://www.w3schools.com/

Thanks Mick got it bookmarked looks like alot of usefull info.

VitaminD wrote

http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp

enjoy

I learned html though.. from a rough w3 guide (IIRC) about 8 years ago and looking at other ppl's code along with it..

bruteforce trial and error and a guide on what the basic tags do .. from there you can pretty much do all html.

the great thing about HTML is you cant crash the browser if you leave out a tag or if your 'code' is incorrect.. no memory leaks.. its simple.

treat it as simple and it will be simple

try to make it complicated and you will probably succeed in doing so..

Thanks VitaminD, I am the kind of person whoo when faced with a hole in the wall will stick my head in to see what's on the other side No fear of making a mess either.

[Soniccat]

Glassback wrote

They really are bad.
That one, though, reminded me of this:
http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html

Well here is what I got so far, thanks for the help guys. I am now officially open for viewing and downloading.

http://sonicera.com/

[Glassback]

Hey Sonic - a quick tip for you - try this:

[quote = "Glassback"]wot a load of bolleaux[/quote]

but take out the spaces, like this:

wot a load of bolleaux

Here endeth the first lesson.

[Glassback]

Glassback wrote

They really are bad.
That one, though, reminded me of this:
http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html

Well here is what I got so far, thanks for the help guys. I am now officially open for viewing and downloading.

http://sonicera.com/

Hey! It's a start!
Nice one.

[Soniccat]

Thanks

[haydxn]

nice and efficient site design!

just a few quick comments, based on my own personal style of coding - and thus not necessarily important to anyone else!

you use a <li> tag to make each link a 'list item'. that's fine, and you can see that it works well enough, but i feel that it is good practise to get into the habit of closing your tags. like the <a> tag gets closed with an </a>, the <li> should really get closed too with an </li>; this makes the page more logical, and can be a useful instinct as you get deeper into html. also, because the items are list items, it's also good to put them within a logical list; if you surround the list items with <ul> ... </ul>, you'll declare them to be an unordered (bulleted) list.

you can change that to an <ol> (ordered list) and then they'll magically be numbered!

as you've seen, it works and is therefore perhaps not too important for your needs. i just find it good to develop handy habits that can make future developments easier should you want to take things farther than you'd initially imagined.

btw i really hope this doesn't sound like i'm being unnecessarily critical! just providing some things that may help!

[Glassback]

what he said.

closing your tags is a very good habit to get into.
very often when something doesn't work and you get frustrated for hours trying to snag it, it's usually down to an unclosed tag.
that someone else spots for you.


true, that.

[Soniccat]

haydxn wrote

nice and efficient site design!

just a few quick comments, based on my own personal style of coding - and thus not necessarily important to anyone else!

you use a <li> tag to make each link a 'list item'. that's fine, and you can see that it works well enough, but i feel that it is good practise to get into the habit of closing your tags. like the <a> tag gets closed with an </a>, the <li> should really get closed too with an </li>; this makes the page more logical, and can be a useful instinct as you get deeper into html. also, because the items are list items, it's also good to put them within a logical list; if you surround the list items with <ul> ... </ul>, you'll declare them to be an unordered (bulleted) list.

you can change that to an <ol> (ordered list) and then they'll magically be numbered!

as you've seen, it works and is therefore perhaps not too important for your needs. i just find it good to develop handy habits that can make future developments easier should you want to take things farther than you'd initially imagined.

btw i really hope this doesn't sound like i'm being unnecessarily critical! just providing some things that may help!

I will try that tonight as an experiment. No need to worry all the advice I get will be useful. I want this to be something that I understand fully so I can make changes whenever I need to. Thanks for the tips.

[Glassback]

Just in case you missed it before:

Hey Sonic - a quick tip for you - try this:

[quote = "Glassback"]wot a load of bolleaux[/quote]

but take out the spaces, like this:

wot a load of bolleaux

Here endeth the first lesson.



Off to my pit now,
Nitey nite.

[ouroboros]

I did it just now as a thought experiment.



thanks for the links, btw

[haydxn]

btw, when i say surround the list items with either a <ul> or <ol> pair, i mean around the whole bunch...

e.g.

<ul>
<li>...</li>
<li>...</li>
<li>...</li>
</ul>

a tag means 'this next bit of text is specifically of this type'.. and the closing means 'that particular type is done with for now'.

at the beginning, you start up with an <html>, telling the world that we're dealing with html!
<a> (anchor) basically means that the enclosed bit is a link. it's easy enough to comprehend the importance of closing that one, else all the following text would be a link!

<ul> says "the next chunk of text is an unordered list". inside that chunk you put list items; so you say "this bit is a list item", put your list item, and then close the item. then you put another, etc.. and then you say "right, that's the end of this unordered list". once you close it, if you start putting text down, it's now a separate thing.

not sure why i just wrote all this.. i haven't said anything new at all! oh well, i'm just tired! good luck, and good night!