The future of MicroSoft Copy Protection

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The issue I have with most of these schemes people seem to be dreaming up about protecting media/content etc, is they're more often than not based on the premise that nobody really creates their own stuff, nobody self authors anything. Nobody owns DV Cameras, nobody owns microphones, digital cameras are about porn, not photography or art...

Then there's this attitude about mp3 as it stands, "Everyone who uploads an mp3 has to be uploading an illegal mp3". In the past three years I've either talked to people who have had their files pulled or have had it happen to me. It doesn't really matter whether you own the right to the work or not, it's an mp3, some people are downloading it so let's pull the plug. I've even had it suggested at one stage that I can have them online, but only if I fax signed statements for each file saying they're my own! [~loopy] and or spend time informing people as to the exact content of each file I wish to make available. And trust me, some of those files in reflection sound horrible, amateurish etc...

As someone who writes small programs at times the idea of having to deal with this sort of thing at all seems OTT andI very much doubt the programming community is going to endorse anything that may effect the amount of free and useful software out there. The number of people who benefit from free software, free addons or unnofficial work everyday is a staggering number. On top of that I cannot see many of the large companies agreeing to letting this kind of arrangement exist.

I think it's more likely that a subscription service might be how these software management schemes end up being deployed. You either opt in and pay $$$$ to be in it or you don't. Microsoft already has schemes like Passport which verify users of websites, but still the number .NET based websites using it is very low in comparison to the sum total of sites using the technology out there.

I might also point out that there have also been other initiatives by companies such as Microsoft to create electronic funds transfers standards such as Ewallets and various forms of electronic cash but the technology so far has been found to be very unpopular.

In Australia Microsoft attempted to force a number of institutions into taking up new licenses for the latest version of a number of MS products on a subscription basis, this push failed. Why? They'd already upgraded to something that did everything they wanted in the past few years and as far as they were concerned they saw no reason to start renting something they owned the right to operate indefinitely. In the consumer market versions of office that expire were on the shelf at one stage, but the price differential between the expiring/infinite use version was such that I don't think many people bought it. I certainly didn't. I was more than happy with what I'd already bought anyway.

If enough people vote with their feet then I think some of these "protection" schemes will be implemented, but not quite on the scale some parts of industry would like.

Spratman ;)

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it is not really the fault of the companies here. it is the fault of people who refuse to pay for software they use.

if piracy wasn't a problem then you can be 100% sure that companies wouldn't be wasting their time trying to invent anti-piracy schemes.

its an attitude problem. i know lots of people who hate music warez, but seem to think that somehow its ok to use a cracked version of xp.

whining about companies is not the solution, you should also whine to any friends you have who uses warez of any app....

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Cabinfever wrote:it is not really the fault of the companies here. it is the fault of people who refuse to pay for software they use.

if piracy wasn't a problem then you can be 100% sure that companies wouldn't be wasting their time trying to invent anti-piracy schemes.

its an attitude problem. i know lots of people who hate music warez, but seem to think that somehow its ok to use a cracked version of xp.

whining about companies is not the solution, you should also whine to any friends you have who uses warez of any app....
do you like that it could happen to you that you get robbed or even killed? I guess not. Nobody does. Yet still we (well most of us) don't live in a police state, even though such a regime could cut down on crime. Why?
ngfnjhte?

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We've all had that experience with MP3s. I've been banned for posting my own music before. If it's an MP3, then it must be illegal!!!

It's only going to get harder and harder to self-promote as this shit gets worse.

I still find one of the creepiest pieces to be the ability of a document creator to remove it from your system at any time. Let's say John lives in the Republic of Dictatorland. The government of Dictatorland are your usual totalitarian lot, with the beatings and murders and all of that. John writes a letter to an american newspaper, and the newspaper decides that they need to print the letter. Only problem is, the police in Dictatorland find out, incarcerate John, and revoke the DRM liscence from John's computer.

POOF! The document is deleted off of every computer in the world. Even copies on CD or some other external record will no longer function because without the liscence you can't decrypt the file.

Bye bye John. He never existed, neither did his document. Hopefully someone printed that letter all ready...

What's next, making it illegal to print some text from a webpage if you don't have 73 documents signed in triplicate delivered to John Ashcroft's doorstep along with a nice long blowjob? f**king rediculous.

The implications here are horrifying, and don't give me that warez-kiddy bullshit. Did you even read the damn article? I honestly can't believe that anyone would be all right with this.

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I skimmed the article. I've been aware and against TCPA for a while (ever since I heard about Longhorn, as well as MediaPlayer's TCPA-style EULA). Did the article/FAQ mention that in addition if you turned off TC on your machine, you would likely not get far on the internet, browsing sites? Sites denying access to non-TC machines.

People ask me why I still have/run Windows 98 machines. Besides worrying about less virii, TCPA has been a big reason for me. I have an XP machine as well, but expect that while XP may not reach full TCPA status, that we'll see enough of XP "evolve" into a TCPA-laden OS.

I imagine in the future that I'll continue to have one or more machines that run older OS'es, ones that "I trust" ;). Whether it's "my trusted" machine or "their trusted" machine that I use more, we'll see. But the best way I can think of to at least keep the things that belong to me mine, is to have a machine that's not "theirs".

Giving up video games would certainly have the biggest effect of decreasing my upgrade frequency. But I'm sure I'll want to run better audio hosts/VSTs in the future. But, one of the few things that gives me comfort about the future, TCPA-wise, is that my I'm pretty happy with what a modern day computer can do at the moment, music-wise. There's enough horsepower there to write music with few hurdles. If it takes a TCPA computer to get my self-created MP3s to the internet to be public, well I'll let my TCPA machine do that. Even if it means audio out of non-TCPA to audio in of TCPA in order to create a "legal" MP3.

I'm also happy to be the age that I am - 36. To have seen computers and freedom from a truer free sense. Between TCPA, and Bush's Patriot Acts I and II, upcoming DNA databases, etc., freedom and civil rights are disappearing. Bush is our biggest threat to freedom, in my eyes. He's the true terrorist.

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But couldn't you use a Linux machine instead? So it wouldn't get affected by nonsense restrictive policies?

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Or a Mac.

Apple's not in the TCP Alliance...

As a matter of fact, I have a hypothesis that if this ever takes off, Apple will see its market share skyrocket.

And you can bet they'll pull out the stops too. I can just see it now... Hippie commercials. "Switch for Freedom" campaign. "No 'Big Brother' over here!"

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Yah know, that *might* actually get me to switch... ;)

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No, read the article more carefully. They would make it illegal to make hardware or software that did nor comply with TCP. It doesn't matter if it's Windows, Mac or even Linux. It would be illegal to make ANY software or hardware that did not comply.

The longer article goes into great detail about the exact changes specified for open source if it is to continue to exist. If this were to pass, it would be the end of computing as we know it.

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But it wont get passed. There's no court that will deny freedom and you just know the "defence" will play it that way.

Also, it would have to be a world wide acceptance, there is no way every country will agree to it..if any.

WoJ

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As far as it "being accepted"... it's not going to be an overnight thing. Many people "accepted" the MediaPlayer EULA by downloading and using WMP9. Read that EULA. It's scary.

Time is its biggest ally.

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wojdude wrote:... there is no way every country will agree to it..if any.
mine would. always did. nation of cocksuckers. sad sad sad.

k

edit: politically I mean, people are rather nice otherwise. or not. well they are, except for an unhealthy bit of nationalism, bent by nature and history.

damn decisions.

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OzoneJunkie wrote:As far as it "being accepted"... it's not going to be an overnight thing. Many people "accepted" the MediaPlayer EULA by downloading and using WMP9. Read that EULA. It's scary.

Time is its biggest ally.
And wmp9 (or 10 for that matter) sucks so very badly, too. It lets you "rip" to mp3, but not wav.

Thats right, either an mp3 or some kind of "windows media file" A totally useless thing. And it won't even let me play the shiny new copy of "Physical Graffiti" that I just bought. I have bought this album, legitimately, THREE f**king TIMES!!! (l.p., cassette, and now c.d.)

Who exactly is being "protected" here???

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Is there anything useful on my computer that would stop working, if I remove WMP?

(You know how Microsoft likes to hide essential OS modifications and upgrades inside either Media Player or Internet Explorer. A lot of supposedly non-internet-enabled software depends on a certain version of IE being installed.)


take care,
McLilith

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McLilith wrote:Is there anything useful on my computer that would stop working, if I remove WMP?
Toasting CD-Roms is handled by WMP in XP. If you have third-party software for burning media (audio & data!) you won't loose anything serious I think...

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