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popsych · Post by **popsych** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:19 am

koolkeys wrote: ....
Also, in what situation do you need to roll the highs and lows off of EVERYTHING? If that's really the case, then just put the filter/EQ on the master section. ...
Koolkeys

When you want a clean mix is your answer. It doesn't mean he should cut the same frequencies on all channels but e.g. sub-bass, hi-cut from 150hz and on, bass lo-cut from 130 and hi cut from 750, lead low- cut from 1200hz. These are all figures off the top of my head, so that no one things i'm proposing these values, but koolkeys when you have many channels that occupy the same freqs your mix ends up muddy. So cutting the freqs that do not add something useful to a part you make things "cleaner" and more defined

2windy · Post by **2windy** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:47 pm

SuperCamelPhat2, turn everything of apart from the band pass.

Beauty is you've got other options in the plug if needed. EQ, Tube, Flange...

popsych · Post by **popsych** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:57 pm

By the way, it's interesting, what do you guys think is the best plug for rolling off. I really like Kjaerhus GEQ-7 and Waves Q-N

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:44 pm

okay ill work on with tracktion but like in all instances i should be using a bandpass, so as to fit all of my instruments in a nice little part for each. you know? ive been talking around, its how to do it.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:05 pm

Kjaerhus GEQ-7 for me.

2windy · Post by **2windy** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:39 pm

... or GEQ-7

brianbrian · Post by **brianbrian** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:14 am

I use the UA Cambridge filters. There's a crapload of filters for both high and low-passing. That's actually almost the only thing I use Cambridge for and I have not seen any other EQ that matches the quality or quantity of filters provided. It's a nice bonus that it doesn't use up any CPU power too.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:16 am

The reason I question why to use it on everything is because I've never had a time where EVERYTHING needed it. Sure, a mix can get muddy with instruments in the same range. But you wouldn't use a shelf for this. You would just use EQ normally. If you just rolled off highs and/or lows, you won't really fix the problem usually. You will usually end up taking parts of each sound away.

Say, if you have a kick drum and want to roll off the highs. You would have to be careful because you may in the process end up cutting off the transient frequencies of the kick drum, which is a big part of the drum. You would however want to roll of on instruments that have a wide frequency range. That's a given, if you want to make an instrument fit more into the higher range and not be as bassy.

Anyway, using shelfs on everything wouldn't be the best option. What WOULD be the best option, and this is something I know what several producers here in Nashville do, is to EQ within the key of the song. Get a frequency chart that shows what notes are what frequencies. Then highlight different frequencies on different instruments based on the key of the song. Since this is off topic, I won't get more into this here.

But back on topic, I've never seen anyone have to use a shelf on everything. And Ron, you say a bandpass is the way to go, but that's not true also. Remember, if you only let a particular frequency pass, you are cutting off many harmonics and overtones that most instruments produce, and possibly changing the sound of the instrument. I'd suggest getting some good EQ theory and learning how to use EQ properly, since that's all you're doing with any filter or shelf. It's just a different way of using EQ.

But less is sometimes better, and cutting always preferred to adding. But this is common knowledge.

Just my 2 pennies......

Koolkeys

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:45 am

when mastering for vinyl: UAD cambridge with epileptic filter mode
when working on studio DAW machine for individual tracks: UAD channel-strip EQ
when working on laptop: paris EQ

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:14 am

popsych wrote:By the way, it's interesting, what do you guys think is the best plug for rolling off. I really like Kjaerhus GEQ-7 and Waves Q-N

Pretty much any EQ that allows for a user-definable slope for the hi/low shelf will suffice... It's not like there is really any magic formula to roll-offs. Nor do you need to worry all that much about linear-phasing when it comes to shelving... I kinda like Cubase's own track-EQ for shelving, or low/hi-pass filtering... Just because its already there!

popsych · Post by **popsych** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:24 am

advaya wrote:
popsych wrote:By the way, it's interesting, what do you guys think is the best plug for rolling off. I really like Kjaerhus GEQ-7 and Waves Q-N
Pretty much any EQ that allows for a user-definable slope for the hi/low shelf will suffice... It's not like there is really any magic formula to roll-offs. Nor do you need to worry all that much about linear-phasing when it comes to shelving... I kinda like Cubase's own track-EQ for shelving, or low/hi-pass filtering... Just because its already there!

I'm afraid this isn't really so. On a couple of tracks it would be no problem - true, but for a busy mix with many tracks the few problems would pile up.

That said if I was that bothered i would use Waves LinPhase Eq on all tracks or algorithmixs Linear phase EQs

if i could afford them

but for day to day mixing it's not worth it.

For your example of cubase i find it's eqs terrible, logics less so, DP's new Masterworks and pro tools very good, and Samp's and SAWS's excellent.

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:30 am

popsych wrote:
advaya wrote:
popsych wrote:By the way, it's interesting, what do you guys think is the best plug for rolling off. I really like Kjaerhus GEQ-7 and Waves Q-N
Pretty much any EQ that allows for a user-definable slope for the hi/low shelf will suffice... It's not like there is really any magic formula to roll-offs. Nor do you need to worry all that much about linear-phasing when it comes to shelving... I kinda like Cubase's own track-EQ for shelving, or low/hi-pass filtering... Just because its already there!
I'm afraid this isn't really so. On a couple of tracks it would be no problem - true, but for a busy mix with many tracks the few problems would pile up.

That said if I was that bothered i would use Waves LinPhase Eq on all tracks or algorithmixs Linear phase EQs if i could afford them but for day to day mixing it's not worth it.

For your example of cubase i find it's eqs terrible, logics less so, DP's new Masterworks and pro tools very good, and Samp's and SAWS's excellent.

We are talking hi/low roll-off here... Not exactly surgical stuff... I have found linear-phase to really only matter when boosting or attenuating an instrument's fundamentals... Hell... I can't hear a difference when using Cubase's EQ for roll off as opposed to some $600 plugin... But I don't have golden ears either!

what do you use for roll-off highs and lows?