pdc again, just to know..

[disturb]

Some plug-ins introduce latency when playingback. In order to keep things in sync you have to delay every other track. Some plug ins, like Voxengo's delay can help you on this.

i thought it should work like that after i posted my answer...
but it would be such a pain, that i don't even know if it's worth it.

thanks for the insight

[Maniah]

what happened to this? .. is this not implemented yet or have i just gone blind or incredebly stupid (very possible)?

incredebly should be spelled incredibly, therefore, you are blind AND stupid.


You're not mad are you?

[soma]

I will soon add optional "delay" on eack track, this will be the start of pdc.

cheers
jorgen

I'm not a big PDC needer but wouldn't make more sense to add a "play ahead" slider to each track that delayed all the others?

It would also be easier to replace this feature with PDC when the time comes I would imagine.

[Rellik]

Well... that would basically BE PDC. It would entail everything necessary to actually do PDC... PDC is "play ahead" but with automatically assigned play-ahead time as specified by the plugin.

Personally, if I were jorgen, I would find the implementation of PDC kind of a fun challenge if I'm understanding how it works right. You just need to count up the total delay through each signal-path, and then add delay time to each signal path such that all paths are equal.

It sounds like a job for AI to me not complicated AI, just a simple weighted-path-finding-type type algorithm...

Of course, I'm not a big PDC needer either. The only thing I would need it for is SIR - but I may not be the most common case (?)

[bmanic]

I'm not a big PDC needer but wouldn't make more sense to add a "play ahead" slider to each track that delayed all the others?

It would also be easier to replace this feature with PDC when the time comes I would imagine.

Well, that play ahead is the basic PDC, for inserts. Now, pdc for sends and plugins in the rest of the architecture is WAY more challenging.. go for it jorgen!

Cheers!
bManic

[aldi]

the problem of pdc i think as a programmer is, that it's most of the time implemented and thought off to late, because implementing pdc for all possible routings (aux & inserts) is a basic thing to think of at the begin. later you have to rewrite a lot of code when the way of handeling the audiostreams arent fit to it. you need buffers for each and every place where audiostreams get added. in other words, pdc isn't that big problem at the start of a programm but implementing it later could be difficult. but i'm pretty sure jorgen will handle it

[M'Snah]

Some plug-ins introduce latency when playingback. In order to keep things in sync you have to delay every other track. Some plug ins, like Voxengo's delay can help you on this.

i thought it should work like that after i posted my answer...
but it would be such a pain, that i don't even know if it's worth it.

thanks for the insight

Probably my response is too late, I'm in the wrong timezone ...

typing the exact delay (in samples) in each track in eXT is not less troublesome than using the plugins. Even better: You can use the same plugin as a send for each track, needing to configure it only once.

btw. My personal current solution is to use a different sequencer when I'm going to use convolution etc. Unfortunately that's a sequencer that doesn't support ghosted parts and groups .
I've had experiences where I forgot the pdc adjustments, and got a lot of criticism because my (compressed etc) guitar sounded out-of-time...

[moonlite]

yes but i'm referring to a simple track delay that delays the midi data .. wouldn't be too hard. the kind that logic has. a simple slider with some logarithmic values would do. (or something like that)

and or course, soma, the delay can have an negative value, too! that's the point of the whole thing. imho.

[moonlite]

soooo ... where are we with this one? ......... (!)

[moonlite]

.. i mean with this "optional delay" jorgen is talking about ... not pdc ...

[cptgone]

I'd like real PDC too... Thanks jorgen.

[moonlite]

yeah, but it doesn't seem to be coming in the next few weeks .. but a little knob/slider thingie that could delay a track with a negative value would be pretty fast to implement and help us out A LOT!

this I /could/ take in the next few weeks ... *cough*

=)

;D

(sorry)

[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

Dude, Jorgen shouldn't even waste his time on that feature if he's just planning on doing it right eventually.. I can make a simple vst that delays the input by a certain amount of samples if you guys want.

[aldi]

if you can do a plugin that plays the track before i hit play that would help (its a mess to delay 20 tracks just to get one where a plugin causes latency back in time so only a slider with negative delay values would help)

[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

I know what you mean! Thats why pdc is the only way to go!