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Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:40 pm

Eat good food and still have diahrea.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:41 pm

I just retreived midi files from a computer that had been sitting in a garage for 3 years.
The computer was so old it ran windows 3.1

The midi files are all on a c.d. now, pure and uncorrupted as the driven snow.

The drive? Seagate of course.

Sorry, kind of OT, but I was very happy about this.

r2101 · Post by **r2101** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:49 pm

"what a f**king horrible system to go by"...

yup... imho a unit that survives the inital burn in tests will most likely last for quite a while... brand or no brand...

todays high quality components are tomorrows trash... ;)

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:56 pm

r2101 wrote:"what a f**king horrible system to go by"...

yup... imho a unit that survives the inital burn in tests will most likely last for quite a while... brand or no brand...

todays high quality components are tomorrows trash...

sorry for the rude recant. Don't know what quite came over me...

todays high quality components may be tomorrows trash, but unless you can travel into the future you will still have to have nice hardware for nice performance/results.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:42 am

skOre wrote:Seagate Drives have _never_ failed on me. Dunno about maxtor, but I had a ibm (or hitachi that is) just recently starting to fail on me. Luckily I noticed that and could start a process of backing up that data...

Well, I'll be replacing 2 more failed Seagate drives this week in two storage cabinets. I remember the days when they used to call them Seacrates instead of Seagates back in like 1990ish time frame. Their quality has certainly improved, but they are not crash-proof. I've also replaced several other failed Seagate drives in the past 3 months too.

Devon

Tonmann · Post by **Tonmann** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:55 am

skOre wrote:Seagate Drives have _never_ failed on me. Dunno about maxtor, but I had a ibm (or hitachi that is) just recently starting to fail on me. Luckily I noticed that and could start a process of backing up that data...

Exactly the same story here!
I'd like to add that I had some Maxtor drives for my Atari that days and ALL OF THEM became faulty very soon (slowly increasing amount of bad sectors that can't be fixed by reformating the drives). I replaced them by Seagate drives and - guess what - all of them don't even have a single bad sector yet, and they are manufactured in the early 90s!

I agree that ALL brands *can* fail, but (like it has been written before here) Maxtor drives seem to fail quite more often and way sooner IMO.

cheers,
Chris

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue May 31, 2005 2:39 am

Tonmann wrote:
skOre wrote:Seagate Drives have _never_ failed on me. Dunno about maxtor, but I had a ibm (or hitachi that is) just recently starting to fail on me. Luckily I noticed that and could start a process of backing up that data...
Exactly the same story here!
I'd like to add that I had some Maxtor drives for my Atari that days and ALL OF THEM became faulty very soon (slowly increasing amount of bad sectors that can't be fixed by reformating the drives). I replaced them by Seagate drives and - guess what - all of them don't even have a single bad sector yet, and they are manufactured in the early 90s!

I agree that ALL brands *can* fail, but (like it has been written before here) Maxtor drives seem to fail quite more often and way sooner IMO.

cheers,
Chris

Bad sectors that you're aware of. All drives ship with bad blocks, and they have an internal list of which blocks are mapped to another portion of the disk. When it hits a bad block, it does a Bad Block Replacement, and copies the data to another portion of the disk if it can, and maps that sector of data over to that portion that's reserved on the drive. Most drivers will not report the BBR routine when it happens, so you'll never know. Some of the high end storage systems do report things like BBR, positive head offset with retries, negative head offset with retries, correctable errors, errors with error correction retries, etc. Trust me, your drive had bad blocks though. There are programs out there that will show you the list of bad blocks that have been remapped, but I haven't seen one since Dos/Windows 3.1 days.

Devon

lunarhalo · Post by **lunarhalo** » Tue May 31, 2005 2:53 am

I had a Seagate drive fail miserly on me once. It started as funny clicking noises during boot up that progressed over the week as a terrible scratching sound. The decision was made to back up to the networked PC and replace the dying drive with a Western Digital. I then took the Seagate outside and beat the hell out of it with a hammer.

Resonance · Post by **Resonance** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:16 am

3x 120GB Western Digital drives here with a 250GB Maxtor Firewire external for backup (and DVD-R for more permanent(?) backups)

I've fried a number of regular IDE Maxtor drives and Seagate SCSI's over the past five years (and lost lots of good music), but I've never had a problem with WD drives - but I know people who swear by their Maxtor's and have horror stories about WD's so it's a crap shoot basically.

Backup is essential.

What's that phrase? "If it's not in 3 different places, it really doesn't exist at all" or something like that. Can't remember.

Voidoid Surrealist · Post by **Voidoid Surrealist** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:26 am

Welcome back chase, sorry bout the HDD!
In the grand tradition of your MSPaint masterpieces, I present you with some condolance giffing...

/rushes to go back up stuff on my maxtor drive

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:58 am

zai · Post by **zai** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:03 am

That's why I back up not only once, but twice on 2 different HHDs....

Zai

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:07 am

i had a car. it was a general motors vehicle. it broke down. i think fords are better. some of my friends think so too.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Tue May 31, 2005 5:06 am

spot on, Cabinfever.

I think you've summed up this thread well.

noizetronic · Post by **noizetronic** » Tue May 31, 2005 5:48 am

can't confirm on maxtor drives to go bad. And even when, this can't be a nightmare as big as an original ibm deathstar.

can't recommend seagate models either; These often were equipped with weak controller boards that would break down on the first chance / small PS flaw.

Besides from that, all hard disks suffer from wear.

IBM can be spelled german as 'immer backup machen' - Always have backups.

regards noizetronic

Who loves major HDD failure?