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DWb · Post by **DWb** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:35 pm

Aaargh... please don't turn this into a warez flamewar.

The thing that annoys me is that the music industry seems to be pushing for stronger protection against sampling (iirc, it's now illegal to sample a single cycle waveform without permission) despite the fact that a lot of their money these days is coming from music with production techniques based in hip hop and dance which wouldn't bloody exist had these laws been rigorously enforced twenty years ago. This seems not merely annoying but actively stupid on their part...

Scotrick · Post by **Scotrick** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:38 pm

I think another good way of 'sampling,' involves using a sound or whatever for the early stages of a piece, and then to recreate the effect yourself... let's say you've taken a phrase from a TV show... think about why you like that phrase... is it the wording, or the way it's said, or the timbre or tambre of the voice... and then set about recreating that snippet yourself...

lots to be learned that way... to me, that's just another way of learning from the 'masters,' of a form, just like copying song structures or instrumentation or effect sets or whatever

womoma · Post by **womoma** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:32 pm

http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/

seems kool- free samples to use and u dont have to worry about being sued. nice.

kwac · Post by **kwac** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:07 am

O-oo-oo
I mainly use samples that I either know are 'royalty-free' (they came with my software bundle) or that I've created.
However, my son got a load of samples from his 'Gamers' magazine. Am I to understand that although they published the words'royalty-free' an the DVD notes, that these might, in fact, be 'stolen'.
I AM always concerned, because although I publish my work as free, alot of it gets used in certain types of TV production.
I really do NOT want the producers held liable for some 'filler' they might have used.

always trying to be careful-(which is getting harder....and harder....and harder to do)

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:54 pm

kwac wrote:O-oo-oo
I mainly use samples that I either know are 'royalty-free' (they came with my software bundle) or that I've created.
However, my son got a load of samples from his 'Gamers' magazine. Am I to understand that although they published the words'royalty-free' an the DVD notes, that these might, in fact, be 'stolen'.
I AM always concerned, because although I publish my work as free, alot of it gets used in certain types of TV production.
I really do NOT want the producers held liable for some 'filler' they might have used.

always trying to be careful-(which is getting harder....and harder....and harder to do)

Thats a great point. '100% Copyright Free' is a farce. I dont know many dance / loops / drums CD that can truthfully make that claim, and I know MANY that should be banished to the deepest darkest pits of warez hell!

People think because they buy samples with a little sticker on say' Royalty Free' that they are somehow alright. Not the case, sorry guys. So the only real way to be 100% clean is to make your own samples using live recordings or synthesis. End of story.

This really is what bugs me about the whole sampling lark. I understand people being against warez software users, totally. But when you read the license on your typical loops CD, and you realise that some arse hole has just sampled his vinyl collection and now claiming it as his own! Kind of pisses me off, sorry!

womoma · Post by **womoma** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:45 pm

CM magazine give away plenty of geniunely royalty free samples which are recorded especially for the magazine cover disk.

That guy Lockett made some brilliant shaker and bongo recordings for them, which I use.

I guess tho, if I really work on it, Ill eventually be able to programme my drums to sound more and more human. Some of the most famously popular beats arent particulary human anyways [new order-blue monday, art of noise-moments in love, aha-take on me etc etc]

I really must get down to some serious loop making. If I worked hard I could make 100 varied custom loops in a day or two and be able to use them without worrying.

I could also share them, but that brings up another question: how do you know that a website submitted loop is royalty free?? most of the time we dont.

I like this thread.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:47 pm

womoma wrote:I like this thread.

I don't like its title. Keep thinking it says "right-click question about legality"... Wow, do I need eyeglasses!

kwac · Post by **kwac** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:42 pm

O-oo-oo
sorry to interupt yer thread again but thanx for clarifying that situation, Tee Boy.

I've banished those samples to pergatory (least I forget about'em)

wondering. if you right-click 'legality' I wonder what options....
nevermind!

kwac

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:25 pm

tee boy wrote:
People think because they buy samples with a little sticker on say' Royalty Free' that they are somehow alright. Not the case, sorry guys. So the only real way to be 100% clean is to make your own samples using live recordings or synthesis. End of story.

Ehem...

Actually, there are people who make truly royalty free loops and samples. I am among them. My upcoming collection of drum and bass guitar loops is made completely from scratch by myself and my partner. We did the recordings and extracted the loops ourselves, without stealing anything whatsoever.

Bassballjg at Dangerous Bear has also released loops that are similarly made from scratch.

I realize that there are some disreputable types in the business, but this notion that "the only real way to be 100% clean is to make your own samples using live recordings or synthesis. End of story." is oversimplified and unfair to us poor bastards who spend hours and hours getting the right drum sound and then spend even more hours culling out loops with a wave editor.

I suggest that, like in all other fields, loops and samples are released by a wide variety of people, and that your best bet is to buy from reputable developers.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:28 pm

I will jump in and say all of my samples that state royalty free and copyright by me are in fact recorded by me and cut, looped etc by me. if you are lucky you even get to see the object sampled

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

kwac · Post by **kwac** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:43 pm

I don't have a proper recording space at home. And anything I might do at work is 'theirs'.
But that has Never stopped me (armed with my trusty SM-57) from sampling my kitchenware and power tools (good signal-to-noise ratio with these!)

learjeff · Post by **learjeff** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:30 am

The usual rule applies: "caveat emptor". Beware fly-by-night loopsters, but there are plenty of reputable sources.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:28 am

Hey, I also make samples which are royalty free. Im not saying they arent about, but its far more common (particularly in the dance loops genre) to get a disc full of uncleared stuff. Ironically, its the big companies who seem to pedal this shit too.

To be honest, its doesnt really matter to me either way. But if anyone is interested Iv spotted some absolutely scandalous stuff on top selling commercial CD's. And I mean SCANDALOUS! Stuff that I know for a fact isnt cleared. If you're geeky enough, PM me and I'll share a few (the names, not the samples!).

agadis · Post by **agadis** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:34 am

If I play a drum loop I heard on a royalty free drum loop cd which I do not own. In case I played it through midi to a free sample and exactly as the cd. Am I violating the law. Or if it becomes a hit would they sue me?

Atomsplitter · Post by **Atomsplitter** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:20 am

On the subject of sampling, say i decided to use a james brown sample saying huh ect would this require me to pay him royaltys (im guessing yes) and how does it work when your paying an artist royaltys do you have to pay them a set amount or do they take a percentage of each track sold?

right- quick question about legality..