Ahh. I'm afraid I'm with soulkraka. I use Reason's groove quantise (rewired in). It's the one thing that still makes Reason indispensible to me.CypherOne wrote:yeah I do have the notes selected. Like I say, I can see that they have moved afterwards, just doesn't seem to sound much different, which leads me back to the question of what am I trying to achieve? I just realise that having everything rigidly on 16ths may be holding me back a bit. What do you do?
Shuffle/Swing Tips?
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
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- KVRian
- 1144 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from tOKYO
Cypher...I made a beat that illustrates what were talking about here (hopefully). Since you mentioned that you program your own beats I did the same. The only loop is the bass line that comes in.
http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewtopic.php?t=1974
bars 1-5: the straight beat I programmed
bars 5-13: I loaded in a 70's funk break as a rex file in Reason, "captured the groove" and applied it to my beat. Its subtle but the beat does breath more IMO.
bars 13-17: heres a bass loop over the beat.
bars 17-21: heres the same beat and bassline but with "70's break beat groove" quantize applied to the bassline as well. Notice how the bassline locks in more now with the beat?
http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewtopic.php?t=1974
bars 1-5: the straight beat I programmed
bars 5-13: I loaded in a 70's funk break as a rex file in Reason, "captured the groove" and applied it to my beat. Its subtle but the beat does breath more IMO.
bars 13-17: heres a bass loop over the beat.
bars 17-21: heres the same beat and bassline but with "70's break beat groove" quantize applied to the bassline as well. Notice how the bassline locks in more now with the beat?
Last edited by soulkraka on Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:15 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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- KVRist
- 116 posts since 24 Aug, 2001 from Athens
Hello, make a script in cubase's logical editor, to create randomizations of time and velocity.
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- KVRist
- 143 posts since 19 Jan, 2004 from So. California
A little bit of sometimes useful information for a very few:
There is a subtle difference between 'shuffle' and 'swing'. ( in case you want to program your own ).
Swing is a grouping of 8th-note triplets, represented as a quarter note and an eight note. The accent ( if any ) is on the first part of the triplet, i.e., the quarter note.
Shuffle is a representation of three 16th notes ( a doted eight ) followed by a single 16th note. The accent is more pronounced on the last part, that is, the final 16th note.
I've been waiting 19 years to tell someone this stuff, now I can move on.
-- atonal
There is a subtle difference between 'shuffle' and 'swing'. ( in case you want to program your own ).
Swing is a grouping of 8th-note triplets, represented as a quarter note and an eight note. The accent ( if any ) is on the first part of the triplet, i.e., the quarter note.
Shuffle is a representation of three 16th notes ( a doted eight ) followed by a single 16th note. The accent is more pronounced on the last part, that is, the final 16th note.
I've been waiting 19 years to tell someone this stuff, now I can move on.
-- atonal
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- KVRian
- 1144 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from tOKYO
Cypher
I mentioned sidechaining earlier so I posted an example of this also, in case your not familiar with the technique. Its another way to "groove" your tracks.
I'm compressing a bassline and the kick drum in the beat is inserted into the sidechain. The effect is that the bassline line goes down in volume everytime the kick drum hits. The is usefull for a couple reasons. If your bass and kick sounds overlap frequency wise this can be a great alternative to EQ'ing. This is also usefull as an effect.
This example is pretty extreme but I did it intentionally to illustrate the effect clearly.
bars 1-5: just the beat so you can hear the kick drum pattern
bars 5-9: bassline and beat, not sidechained
bars 9-13: bassline and beat, sidechained
http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewto ... 5157#15157
I mentioned sidechaining earlier so I posted an example of this also, in case your not familiar with the technique. Its another way to "groove" your tracks.
I'm compressing a bassline and the kick drum in the beat is inserted into the sidechain. The effect is that the bassline line goes down in volume everytime the kick drum hits. The is usefull for a couple reasons. If your bass and kick sounds overlap frequency wise this can be a great alternative to EQ'ing. This is also usefull as an effect.
This example is pretty extreme but I did it intentionally to illustrate the effect clearly.
bars 1-5: just the beat so you can hear the kick drum pattern
bars 5-9: bassline and beat, not sidechained
bars 9-13: bassline and beat, sidechained
http://audioshots.com/auditorium/viewto ... 5157#15157
Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good
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- KVRAF
- 7879 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from -on the outside looking in
Atonal wrote:A little bit of sometimes useful information for a very few:
There is a subtle difference between 'shuffle' and 'swing'. ( in case you want to program your own ).
Swing is a grouping of 8th-note triplets, represented as a quarter note and an eight note. The accent ( if any ) is on the first part of the triplet, i.e., the quarter note.
Shuffle is a representation of three 16th notes ( a doted eight ) followed by a single 16th note. The accent is more pronounced on the last part, that is, the final 16th note.
I've been waiting 19 years to tell someone this stuff, now I can move on.
-- atonal
handy info!
..what goes around comes around..
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7936 posts since 18 Feb, 2003 from out there somewhere
soulkraka - thanks for providing the examples. Awesome bassline by the way...
Yeah I can see what you mean. However, given that I cannot extract the groove in such a way, would I be right to assume that if I apply swing to my beats, that I should appply the same to my basslines and sequences? In essence that's what you have done isn't it?
Yeah I can see what you mean. However, given that I cannot extract the groove in such a way, would I be right to assume that if I apply swing to my beats, that I should appply the same to my basslines and sequences? In essence that's what you have done isn't it?
