amen break

[The Chase]

meh. Im fine with the step sequencer

[original flipper]

HI

Someone posted exactly what this guy wants a few months ago but I don't have the link.

But it was basically a midi file of a whole bunch of older styles of D&B beats in the style of Goldie ect, it also included screenshots in Cubase and a Kontakt program file and all the samples.

I have it somewhere - if the poster PM's me with an E-Mail address I will dig it out and send it to him.

FWIW midi files can be usefull to people, in all fairness some of the main drum loops/beats in current styles of D&B are very simplistic and can be set up with midi-files, the main difficulty being hi-hat work which relies on lot's of different velocity work to get a drive going.

EDIT!!!

Thats the file I was talking about!!!

Flipper.

[[ xerocreep ]]

Yeah, I use FL as my main sequencer also, and I can knock out beats way faster when I can see the little step buttons rather than having to rely on the piano roll. Then jsut send individual parts there when I need to glitch them up.

[The Chase]

HI

Someone posted exactly what this guy wants a few months ago but I don't have the link.

But it was basically a midi file of a whole bunch of older styles of D&B beats in the style of Goldie ect, it also included screenshots in Cubase and a Kontakt program file and all the samples.

I have it somewhere - if the poster PM's me with an E-Mail address I will dig it out and send it to him.

FWIW midi files can be usefull to people, in all fairness some of the main drum loops/beats in current styles of D&B are very simplistic and can be set up with midi-files, the main difficulty being hi-hat work which relies on lot's of different velocity work to get a drive going.

EDIT!!!

Thats the file I was talking about!!!

Flipper.

ive been meaning to write a tutorial about drum programming in FL as there arent many good ones out there for dnb, but im lazy as hell.

its things like the double-kicks and rolling hat-snare-hat-snare that take practice to sound not only genuine but hard enough for a DnB track.

Also, compression plays a HUGE roll. The compression is what makes the amen break the amen break as it wont sound like hitting a tin can when sped up as it doesnt have the typical tails of most drums.

most of the articulate hat patterns are just the cymbal going on every8th note going through a compressor with the other drums, though modern drum programming takes this many steps further.

[rocked]

somehow my post got deleted.
So i use cubase sx and just needed some midi files to create a better drum part, as mine Wasn`t rolling.
as someone mentioned compression on the dnb amen, could anyone get a guide?
generally a dnb guide would be cool, but it would be good if it would be not only for FL studio 5. so not only FL generators, but generally samples vst plugins etc...
As we talk of VST plugins, can anyone say how i can use effects in intakt by aducing one effect to one sample? i hadn`t figured it out yet. there seems a 1/2 effect, but i don`t understand it.
k so thank the one who posted out the midi dnb roll,this was quite helpfull and also the simonv tut,this was i was searching for,just forgotten the link and producer network where i got it from seems dead.

[jens]

i use FL Studio and wouldnt know what to do with a midi file of a break. In fact, i dont even know how a break would be midi'd.
Is there some common software function that assigns midi files to certainsingle shots or something?

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slainte rob

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[james0tucson]

midi file of the amen break? what would you do with it?

Run it through various synths? Not only drums?

[james0tucson]

midi file of the amen break? what would you do with it?

maybe he wants to copy the programming because his ear/skills have not yet allowed him produce something similar.

(however i know what you mean as well)

You're making it sound like wanting a midi file for the break is some kind of unreasonable request, or demonstrates ignorance or something.

At this point, I'd expect midi renditions of the popular breaks to be very common. It's a big surprise to me that they are hard to find. People are still using the audio format, that's SO 20th century.

[pHz]

People are still using the audio format, that's SO 20th century.

when was MIDI invented again ???

slainte rob

[original flipper]

HI

One thing that makes a lot of breaks in midi somewhat wanting to the original source is the proccessing of the original sounds, layering, ghost notes, ambience ect.

As 'Chase' mentioned - compression is important and radically changes the end product.

There is a really nice set of Drum n Bass midi files available which have Paul Kodish (?) playing live beats - I think they were from KeyFax.

I would say a midi file will give you a good basic foundation to build on or give you ideas - the rest will be down to the samples you choose, how you layer them, how you eq, compress and balance.

I am sure there are other bits I have missed as well - it's an individual thing, especially with this genre.

Flipper.

[Paul_FX]

try this site:

http://www.rah.gq.nu/bourbon/index.html

They have several amen and other dnb style breaks. Download the one you want. Chop it up in recycle / guru etc and bosh there ya go

Paul

[The Chase]

midi file of the amen break? what would you do with it?

maybe he wants to copy the programming because his ear/skills have not yet allowed him produce something similar.

(however i know what you mean as well)

You're making it sound like wanting a midi file for the break is some kind of unreasonable request, or demonstrates ignorance or something.

At this point, I'd expect midi renditions of the popular breaks to be very common. It's a big surprise to me that they are hard to find. People are still using the audio format, that's SO 20th century.

ignorance? no mate, i guess i just dont use software that allows me to load midi files like that. I didnt even realized it existed until this thread so i was confused why someone would want a break in midi.

Personally id rather use the SS. I can enter any amen related or inspired break into it using a cymbal, snare, kick, altered kicks for double-kick and an altered snare for the rolling in 1 minute using a few sampler channels. However, it would be cool if i could save this programming as midi files. In that case i would use them.

[rocked]

try this site:

http://www.rah.gq.nu/bourbon/index.html

They have several amen and other dnb style breaks. Download the one you want. Chop it up in recycle / guru etc and bosh there ya go

Paul

not for me...i tried to export it, but it doesn`t fit to my song,,,
really no one uses intakt here for drum loops?

[Failed Muso]

Why not get the break then use ReCycle or even hitpoints in Cubase or such like to create a MIDI file or flexible audio file for your track.

And for some "Amen" education, check out Nate Harrison's superb essay/documentary.