KVR Audio

audiobot202 · Post by **audiobot202** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:52 pm

You can still use Live as a more traditional audio arranger if you want. It's extremely flexible. Just ask Headquest, he's the expert in all matters Live !

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:58 pm

Beardedone wrote:
Then there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual

Read the "Clip Offset and Nudging" section in the Live 5 manual... page 94.

Thanks >v^<^^ I will need to go through this many more times - I find this very confusing - global time?. Are there any examples or demos that lay this out step by step?

Beardedone wrote:
I only just realized that in session view there is an audio scrub tool-I have no clue what it's good for.

You mean the "scrub" tool on a clip? It's useful when setting warp markers, etc.

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And I am just coming to grips with how Follow action works.

Follow actions used to be very useful for having, for example, a drum roll that leads into a regular loop. You could put the roll in a clip placeholder and set follow actions to "next", with the main loop in the next placeholder down.

As of Live 5 though, you can now do that within one clip... you can launch the clip with the roll but set loop markers within the clip properties to loop only the main section and ignore the first bar drum roll. Handy.

Thanks Headquest - I am just begining to get Follow actions going after struggling through the tutorial. Maybe after 25 more times I'll be able to get it to do what I want it to do.

Cheers,
Gordon

cpu · Post by **cpu** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:12 pm

I use FL for fast notation and quick testing ideas for "sounddesign". As a sketchblock you might say, because of the completely superior pianoroll and crazy possibilities to modulate things with the internal controllers, where after you get a hang of it can work really fast. This is the main reason why I use it. I have used Live a lot in live situation´s because FL is not as intuitive - right now - but the FL 6 will contain major upgrades of the so called Live mode, making it much easier to use in a non-linear approach of composing, and in many ways it will be more similar to Live. Another good thing about FL is as mentioned here before that it´s fast and responsive, even on a weaker computer, whilst Live can be a real hogger just opening the simplest project. FL can do most things Live can do today, but not without tedious workarounds. There´s a lot of pro´s and con´s (Live-crossplatform, FL-not f.a.e...) as always but for the money FL will be so worth it after v.6 is released, believe me...(149 bucks for lifetime updates? Top that man...Ableton charges you every time there´s a major upgrade...)
Cheers.../J

imekon · Post by **imekon** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:17 pm

Igor 4000 wrote:Are there any Live 5 users that also use, or have used, FL Studio? Are the workflows similar? Is it an easy transition? I won't need to use it in live situations.

The reason I ask is that, in reading the review, Live 5 seems like a more advanced/polished version of FLS.

They are very different. I've got both, and I prefer to work in FL Studio. It's not that Live is in any way inferior, it's just not quite what I'm used to.

Live is better at handling heavy CPU loads; FL Studio starts breaking up long before Live does. Live simply slows down it's GUI, but keeps the sound going.

Live is better at MIDI routing - FL Studio is missing it on internal plugins - you can't route a VSTi MIDI out to FPC for instance.

Live is more of an audio loop package, and has minimal MIDI editing; FL Studio has very good MIDI editing.

Finally, one stumbling block for me with Live is the Session/Arranger view. You setup clips in one, you record your "performance" in the other. That gives me trouble - that, and you can't have both on the screen at the same time!

Even in V5.0, Live still doesn't use two screens - except for VSTi plugins.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:26 pm

@cpu: - I read the thread about FL6 (as a long-term FL lurker

) and I must say that nothing there really grabbed me... what do you think are the big improvements in v6? I think I may be missing something...?

Also, does FL6 have either a Freeze or PDC function yet?

@imekon: - you might find it helpful to think of the Session/Arranger thing as Live's equivalent to Pattern/Playlist in FL (I know they're quite different, but both are about using two workspaces, one for construction, the other for arranging).

Does FL offer dual monitor support?

>v^<^^ · Post by **>v^<^^** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:33 pm

Beardedone wrote:
Beardedone wrote:
Then there is this strange orange dot that appears is my clips from time to time that I can't find anything about in the manual

Read the "Clip Offset and Nudging" section in the Live 5 manual... page 94.
Thanks >v^<^^ I will need to go through this many more times - I find this very confusing - global time?. Are there any examples or demos that lay this out step by step?

No examples that I know of... this part confused me a bit as well. I think the dot indicates where the clip will start playing when triggered. Normally a clip starts playing at the beginning (or start marker), but you can move the dot using the nudge buttons (in increments of the global quantization snap time) so that the clip will start playing somewhere else when triggered. This can also be achieved by moving the start marker in the clip (adjusting the clip start and end times), but the nudge feature I think offers a less permanent way of experimenting with start times on the fly.

One thing that can be confusing in Live i've found is that there are many different places to set quantization times. There's global quantization, clip quantization, record quantization, clip update rate, etc.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:37 pm

This is very helpfull. Thanks. A few more hours on it tonight and I will hopefully get it.

Cheers,
Gordon

imekon · Post by **imekon** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:24 pm

headquest wrote: @imekon: - you might find it helpful to think of the Session/Arranger thing as Live's equivalent to Pattern/Playlist in FL (I know they're quite different, but both are about using two workspaces, one for construction, the other for arranging).

Does FL offer dual monitor support?

FL does offer dual monitor support, I have the playlist on my second screen.

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:26 pm

I could never get over FL calling the sequencer a Playlist. But I'm strange.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:49 pm

slightly OT ... but do THIS in fl-studio (not trolling - i have a fruity license) ...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 50#1332250

slainte

rob

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:20 pm

pHz wrote:slightly OT ... but do THIS in fl-studio (not trolling - i have a fruity license) ...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 50#1332250

slainte rob

Hmm, not quite sure I'd want to, makes him look like a right kunt.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:23 pm

granted ... its not yer usual generic indie-pop fruityshite ...

slainte

rob

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:26 pm

pHz wrote:granted ... its not yer usual generic indie-pop fruityshite ...

slainte rob

Nah, it's yer usual generic bald yank IDS buggeration for the nation.

kunt

off

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:29 pm

(more hiphop than IDS i guess but i take your point)

slainte

rob

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:00 pm

It's possible to make utter shit music using Live or using Fruity.

It's also possible to make great music with either...