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IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:18 am

I ordered the pro version last night.

It was the superior stereo imaging that convinced me.. I guess that's your peak / RMS linking algorithm at work. Clever stuff!

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:25 pm

Thank you IIRs

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:58 pm

Torben wrote:Kiwburger, from what I understand, some mastering engeneers clips the A/D in a few transients durring a whole song, after you processed the audio with analog equipment. It is in no way a general substitute for a mastering limiter.

Torben

it is on certain genres, i explained the concept often times...listen to modern hiphop, listen to the snare and kick. with something like your limiter, the more you push it the smaller the snare becomes. it's absolutely not usable for this kind of music(like all non clipping limiters).

you reduce the dynamic of a track but still need the impact of the drums, therefore you use distortion as a substitute with clipping-style-processing.

with limiters, the more you push them, the more the drums go from bumm bumm and tschak tschak to puff puff und taff taff.

that's no secret, just knowledge how to do something when you need to.

@kiwiburger: you don't need bob katz to verify that, just use your ears. when i started with my type of music and wanted to know, how this guys achieved their loudness, i found a lot of people who didn't know shit recommending certain limiters(like l2). i tried it and got really depressed, because the more i pushed them the more my drums became smaller, losin impact, muddying the rest up. then i discovered clipping...and hell, it sounded like the stuff i was hearing on the mayor stuff. BUT it doesn't work for everything. just use the right tool for the job.

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:17 pm

Although I still love Elephant, this definitely has its uses. Yummy apples ansd tasty oranges.

Just ordered a copy of the Prop version. Hope it won't take long for Torben to send the license. Would be nice to get it before leaving the office for the day.

Kiwburger · Post by **Kiwburger** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:55 am

you don't need bob katz to verify that, just use your ears

Thanks Defjam. I use my ears all the time, and I discovered a long time ago that for drums, clipping can be preferable to limiting. It's only recently that I learned about mastering guys clipping converters, in preference to using limiters.

I'm not saying I don't want a limiter - I use Elephant, and will probably get MPL-1 too. But I was simply defending the need for a good limiter to include a clipping option for when needed (like Elephant).

I expect to be abused in forums like this - but I was anticipating getting abused for defending clipping, which is why I refered to Mr Katz.

mastered · Post by **mastered** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:51 am

I didnt notice if the MPL has a ceiling output with which you can adjust.

If this is so, how are you guys setting your out ceiling in a mastering situation where you need to go below -0 db.

So far, so good, though.

Need a bit more experience with it.

Nice job.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:45 am

Thanks Torben, very impressive plugin! In my comparings yesterday with other limiters I own and similar settings, I must say that MPL1 Pro keeps transients better then others. MPL listens more "open" and near the original (not limited) sound. Other Limiters make the sound more "round", this does not listen bad! But a limiter should preserve the original signal as most as possible.
Bought the Pro-Version

But... what should I do with my other limiters now (move to trash?)

iDavid · Post by **iDavid** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:03 am

I bought the standard version and it is wonderful...

I am not a guy who knows the tech side of things, but I have a pretty decent set of ears

and I love what I hear

thanks Torben

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Fri May 12, 2006 6:33 am

defjamm, Thank you for the enlightening. I am by no means a mastering engineer, and would not pretend to know a great deal about it; I just referred to a quote from Bob Katz on a forum and he referred to one or a few clippings in a song. But I think there might be just as many meanings about clipping as there are mastering engineers

mastered, there is an adjustment of output ceiling; it's the output gain when auto-gain is enabled. But I think you will find that all modern CD's goes to 0dB FS.

4damind, Thank you! Allot of the openness are a result of the unique stereo linking system.

Thanks for the orders MickGael & iDavid

Torben

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Sat May 13, 2006 6:12 pm

How long does it usually take to receive the product? Just wondering, as I purchased it last night and really want to replace the demo version as soon as possible in a track I'm working on...

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:09 pm

Less than 48 hours and normally less than 24. Your key has been send now!

Thanks
Torben

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:24 pm

Yep, just got it...thanks!

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun May 14, 2006 3:38 am

Just ordered it!
It's simply a great plug.
What I really love about it is how crystal clean it stays even when you start pushing.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:53 pm

First use of MPL

What can I say....... Crystal clear comes to my mind....

http://www.andras-shimon.com/MUSIC/SOON.mp3

Thanks Torben

Here's another one:
http://www.andras-shimon.com/MUSIC/TheDayAfter.mp3

Kiwburger · Post by **Kiwburger** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:13 pm

Ok ... finally got around to trying the demo. First impressions are great. Totally different from Voxengo Elephant - I don't know why these two developers were fighting, these limiters are like chalk and cheese. Both are must-haves - Elephant for fierce, up-front, and MPL for big, soft squishy.

I do have an issue with MPL though - accuracy of setting the knobs. I appreciate it when a developer allows you to set values to the tenth of a decible. Personally, I would be happy enough with accuracy to half a dB - but I appreciate there are some people who want to go to tenths of a dB.

But this is all academic if the plugin does not allow you to actually set the value to the value you want. I don't know about other people, but I like to think of the number I want, and then dial it in exactly. It's a good way to educate your ears, and get better at guessing how many dB is needed. With MPL, I am constantly frustrated not being able to get the value I want with my mouse. It's not like you can increase the diameter of the circle for more accuracy, or push Shift or Alt or something obvious. Or type the value in directly, which is always my prefered method (I wish everyone would take note of the ArtsAcoustic GUI).

I find it it really annoying to - for example - decide to set the threshold at -20, and then find that I have to settle for 19.9 or something - really distracting.

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