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Zaphod (giancarlo) · Post by **Zaphod (giancarlo)** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:38 pm

About avalon, someone modelled it. Yes, there are plug-ins which model harmonic distortion.
In the past 2 years there were eiosis and electricq, just to name 2. Waves, UAD and URS released equalisers with a particular color (neve, api, ...).

Zaphod (giancarlo) · Post by **Zaphod (giancarlo)** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:45 pm

Nokenoku wrote: If you need a chain like you just described to get your vocal-sound right, you should consider a new Mic/Preamp.

It was just an example. Substitute "vocal track" with "whatever".
Anyway sometimes it happens for vocal tracks too. For example for remixes.

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:20 pm

i just use the cubase eq and gliss occasionally for steeper cuts and better workflow. for me digital eqs are all about workflow. sound quality is usually the same where they arent employing distortion/lin phase/dynamic behaviour/ etc.

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:38 pm

punkfest2000 wrote:NekroMachine - well obviously you take your EQ seriously, and in your role you may well have many different EQs that have different qualities and sounds. Fair enough, but every week there is some post about what is the "best" whether it be EQ, compression, reverb. Not to knock the original poster who was looking for advice, but I feel his efforts could be spent better elsewhere. Chances are he's relatively new at the game so why tell him he needs Sonnox or Waves.

I believe there is a science behind it, and sure there are different algorithms producing different alterations of sound, but I also believe in the scientific objectivity of a blind test.

I recall seeing some of these tests and the results are usually embarrassing. Just a few weeks ago on a guitar amp modelling forum a fellow put up a track and ran it through different amp sim programs, as well as some line 6 stuff and some real amps. The results were all over the map - guys basically had no clue what they were listening to.

Many people had similar experiences with the whole 16 bit vs 24 bit comparisons also. I did my own reverb comparison, and my conclusions were quite different from what others heard. What some thought was good, I thought was horrid, and vice versa. We all have different ears, aural processing, taste, etc.

I still feel that a middle of the road general purpose EQ which looks "pretty" enough for you to use is a good enough option here. Once you've mastered that them maybe explore some specialty or niche EQs for megabucks.

Also you presume much from a forum name. I don't actually listen to Punk music. And no I don't live with my parents.

I cant argue with that and retract my harsh comments towards you, and yes you are absolutely right with the this VS. that debate its pathetic and redundant as you say each of our ears are unique to ourselves and i agree their is no 'best' of anything. Also as that is purely subjective on an almost per-person basis. So here i offer a full apology and a gentlemanly handshake to you (virtually of course). Sorry for a) jumping to swift conclusions and b) flaming like an idiot on jacked up hyperbolic steroids

Dean

punkfest2000 · Post by **punkfest2000** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:21 am

Apology accepted, and I must also apologize as the tone of my initial post was somewhat sour. Buy you a beer?

docdued · Post by **docdued** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:39 am

Wow, never thought I would live to see the day where a discussion on KVR actually ended this way...

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:52 am

Actually it seems to be a trend at KVR lately ...

Peace Love Brothership Dope Horrible-Ballads..... its all comin back

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:53 am

Melkor wrote:Actually it seems to be a trend at KVR lately ...

Peace Love Brothership Dope Horrible-Ballads..... its all comin back

So are they gonna legalize it?

Melkor · Post by **Melkor** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:01 am

Horrible Ballads ?

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:04 am

Melkor wrote:Horrible Ballads ?

Nah, Peace Love Brothership

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:58 am

So to get back on topic, which EQ should i let my mom buy me if i want to sound like Tangerine Dream? I want it now and i want it fast!

just kidding offcourse

For the moment, my go to EQ is BootEQ, but i'm looking to buy IIEQ Pro, GlissEQ or ApEQ, because i need an EQ with visual feedback. BootEQ is a great plug tough, but i'm not advanced enough to use it without some sort of visual feedback. Just buttons and numbers hurt my brain

bodo · Post by **bodo** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:18 am

punkfest2000 wrote:I recall seeing some of these tests and the results are usually embarrassing. Just a few weeks ago on a guitar amp modelling forum a fellow put up a track and ran it through different amp sim programs, as well as some line 6 stuff and some real amps. The results were all over the map - guys basically had no clue what they were listening to.

Many people had similar experiences with the whole 16 bit vs 24 bit comparisons also. I did my own reverb comparison, and my conclusions were quite different from what others heard. What some thought was good, I thought was horrid, and vice versa. We all have different ears, aural processing, taste, etc.

I still feel that a middle of the road general purpose EQ which looks "pretty" enough for you to use is a good enough option here. Once you've mastered that them maybe explore some specialty or niche EQs for megabucks.

OT: That's one of the most clever posts I've ever read here @ KVR
It reminds me of another on-line 'blindfold' synth-test, where you had to guess whether it was an analog/digital synth. A friend of mine (the proud owner of a LAMM Memorymoog no less) had the questions all wrong, and ended up liking the (then emagic) Logic's ES2 softsynth the most, go figure.

There's a lot of psychology involved in working with plug-ins, I totally agree on choosing the EQ with the best ergonomics, for me that's been the Sonalksis SV-517 Mk2 Equaliser, sounds great too btw.

Zaphod (giancarlo) · Post by **Zaphod (giancarlo)** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:31 am

Agreed about blind tests, especially on something processed by an other guy on a 3rd party track.
Something different happens when you process your tracks in your studio/room and comparing different tools. I understood for example that a lexicon PCM70 was rather good only owning it, and comparing it with plug-ins, listening the same track after few days and comparing tracks again. Sorry guys, but the difference between hardware and plugin software are not so obvious. They justify the difference price, epsecially if you use them for living, though.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:38 am

Zaphod: especially in the case of PCM70 I have to say the difference between it and any plugin is very obvious no matter what. I don't know what you're talking about, frankly, because nothing sounds remotely like it. (I'm familiar with v2 btw, not v3)

pekadan · Post by **pekadan** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:00 am

Sorry for joining this thread so late!

Voxengo CurveEQ has probably been mentioned a few times already in the past 11 pages, but I'll mention it again. This will be my fav eq from now on I think. I bought it recently but didn't have time to get into the details until now. I just read the manual (cheating?) and WOW!! Is there anything this baby can't do!?

EQ section, GearMatch section, Vintage section and SpectruMatch section. It even comes with a stand-alone program for batch analysing wav files so you can build an eq reference library for the SpectruMatch feature.

I'm gonna learn everything about this super plugin and use it all the time!!

What is your go to EQ?