Alchemy: Features, discussion e.t.c

[koolkeys]

EDIT: My post doesn't make sense now that you've deleted your response. Never mind.

Brent

[koalaboy]

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm trying to redress the balance with so many people demanding the moon on a stick (vic).

What is this about? "moon on a stick" who is asking for that?

For whatever reason you guys seem to forget that Eric made it very clear the upgrade was going to be "terrific for Atmosphere customers" even late buyers.

I am quite happy to accept that some think it is great but why can't you guys accept some of do not think it is? I could easily say "here we go... fanboys that cannot accept their treasured app does not have total compliance with KVR members..."but I prefer to keep this thread open and not locked.

It's almost as if because it's Spectrasonics somehow we should stop moaning about it and pay up. As if anyone complaining should really know better by now

Okay - a simple question then. What exactly isn't 'terrific' about getting the product you've paid for (Atmosphere) and another completely brand new product for *half price* ? Does that make the current Alchemy/Cameleon5K deal not a 'terrific upgrade' ?

If you don't like the price, you definitely shouldn't pay up. However, just complaining that it's not the price you want, won't change anything - if you don't think it's worth it, stand by your principles and don't buy it... No-one's forcing you.

[Arglebargle]

Man this is almost as bad as the console fanboi wars.

[Casar1973]

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Last time I checked Spectrasonics wasn't offering welfare services.

We don't want to pay more than is necessary IMO for Omnisphere and some of us feel we should / could pay less. Is that so hard to understand?

Unless you're actually on welfare or in the unfortunate situation of counting peanuts (and I have nearly been there, so I understand perfectly if one is squeezed in the middle)- yes that is hard to understand. But if we're talking common reality there is not so much of a debate. Your leverage is to choose to buy it or not.

When did you decide that what you feel you should pay is what everybody else should adjust to? What are the economics for your judgment of what is "more than necessary"?

Your point of view is valid, because it is yours, but nobody is obliged to agree with it. The price appears to me personally as far more than decent and my impression is that the company is conducting business in a most agreeable manner.

So in my view, Spectrasonics doesn't compete with Ebay.

[spectrum]

You guys aren't serious right ? I mean, I bought Atmosphere earlier this year and it's a great plugin. I now get to buy the next great plugin - A completely new product that happens to contain the Atmosphere core sounds - for half price.....

And yet you want it cheaper, or complain the UK is a rip-off ?

Atmosphere isn't designed as a cheap way to get Omnisphere - it's a VST in it's own right. If you don't own it and want Omnisphere, just pony up the asking price, or get it for the same price but with another VST bundled in.

If you want it cheaper still - go write it yourself

You omit the key information, that upon the announcement of Omnisphere Spectrasonics promised a "terrific upgrade path" to those who purchase Atmosphere in the meantime. I suspect that many who had until this news passed on Atmosphere went and bought it on the promise of being a sweet path into Omni.

Now that the pricing has been revealed, their "grace deal" is rather underwhelming. In my case I bought Atmosphere shortly after they announced this "grace period deal" from Sweetwater for $279.99 Adding $199 gets me to $478.99 total. So I saved $1. Hardly "Terrific"

When you promise people a nice/terrific/sweet upgrade path for buying now, then give them something as sub-stellar as this you're bound to leave them feeling a bit lied to and disappointed.

It also turns out to be an excersize in futility - with the time spent purchasing, shipping, registering Atmosphere just to get this 'sweet' -$1 upgrade deal on Omni, which I now have to purchase, ship, and register as well.

This bad move really undercuts their credibility in my opinion. I've had good experience in the past at taking Eric for his word - I'll certainly be more careful in the future.

I'd like to make sure that there's no misinfo out there, so I'm reposting this reply regarding the same topic from the other thread:

2008 UPGRADE PRICING
To be honest, we're kind of stunned at the KvR reaction on this. I was pretty clear in many previous threads already that the 2008 grace period deal was such that you wouldn't lose any money by getting Atmosphere first. That's what we set out to do and that's what we did.

If you bought Atmosphere in 2008, you're able to upgrade to Omnisphere not pay any more than a new Omnisphere user. The very nice advantage being that you get two instruments instead of one.

Don't forget that you are also receiving the equivalent of $2700 worth of sample libraries too.

$2700+$299(ATM)+$499(OMNI)= $3500 value
(and just about everything I've created in the last 15 years!)

The deal for 2008 Atmosphere users with the Omni upgrade are getting all of this value for just $499 total:

$299+$199=$498
(and these folks end up with 2 different instruments instead of one!)

Seems pretty fair and generous...no?

You guys really think this is somehow not very generous?? Wow!

I dunno, maybe we shouldn't do upgrades at all. Reactions like this definitely make you wonder if its worth all the trouble we go through to do it.

One more thought on this topic:

If because of exchange rates or other issues any Atmosphere 2008 customer ends up paying MORE than a new Omnisphere user, please contact us and we'd be happy to refund you the difference.

You can simply contact techshop@spectrasonics.net and let them know your circumstances.

It's a shame that some people got a different impression of what to expect somehow.

I hope this answers your concerns.

spectrum

[christianmusicmaker]

Why do people somehow feel that the grace period deal was designed so they could get Omnisphere CHEAPER than retail price? That's not the point of grace periods at ALL. They are designed for people who may have bought a previous product, not knowing that it was soon going to be replaced.

To be honest that is not even an issue for me. (Maybe others) I am actually quite happy to pay full retail for Omni if need be just to support Spectrasonics. (I have done so in the past) I also own other Spectrasonics products. It's this strange attitude towards people who don't "get it" (Omni pricing e.t.c) that I don't like.

It's like you must be stupid if you can't see how amazing it is. I thought people were allowed differences of opinion on pricing structures on KVR...maybe not. Well unless a mod says otherwise then hopefully it is still allowed.

Also, Eric has said in another thread just a few minutes ago that if for some reason the taxes and exchange rates make the price more altogether than Omnisphere, that they would refund the difference. If you don't think that is fair, then you are just expecting a special deal that really isn't fair to those who buy Omnisphere straight up.

Brent I have seen Eric's comments and that is *absolutely* fine by me. I think Eric was surprised by some of the reactions to Omni but with so many members here that was almost guaranteed...but his approach, attitude and response IMO is miles apart from some people who think others want "welfare" and whatever else because they dare to question a pricing structure...(not insult someone) just question a pricing structure = a harmless thing guys. No one gets hurt. honest

Really, why is it so hard to grasp that this deal is completely fair?

I could just as easily ask you why you think it is? Am I allowed to do that? Since Omnishperes release is it all of a sudden not possible to disagree on anything about it? What happened? What is up with you guys? Compliance or else?

FWIW...

Eric has fully clarified everything for me with the right approach...no need for aggression. We are talking about a software product at the end of the day not World peace.

[beej]

Some people want the moon on a stick. And if you give it them, they'll complain then the stick wasn't big enough.

Congrats on the release, Eric!

[pdxindy]

Alchemy looks interesting... I'm not a big fan of Absynth, but that is all I have at the moment for importing samples and using a top notch synth engine. Alchemy looks like it will fit that bill well... and the news that the re-synthesis engine is much improved over Chameleon is enticing.

[mungocherry33]

Posted elsewhere also:


Some perspective from someone who was around back then, but thankfully, for my financial well being, I was only a bass player at the time:


"A chronological tally of the créme de la créme of the early (1976-1981) programmable analog polysynths: Yamaha CS-80, a 220-pound behemoth with a $6,900 price tag, about 2,000 of which were made; Sequential Circuits Prophet-5, $4,495, 7,200 total, Revs 1-3; Oberheim OB-X, $4,995 for a Four Voice, fewer than a thousand OB-Xs total; and Roland Jupiter-8, $6,495, 4,000."


Ominsphere, Alchemy....it's all good, and a great time to be a magician:)


MM


Quote from Keyboard Magazine Online Ed., used without any permission whatsoever.



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[christianmusicmaker]

Okay - a simple question then. What exactly isn't 'terrific' about getting the product you've paid for (Atmosphere) and another completely brand new product for *half price* ? Does that make the current Alchemy/Cameleon5K deal not a 'terrific upgrade' ?

You still don't understand my point do you? You are approaching this discussion from the point of someone who must get his point across and the other person/s must agree or something is wrong with them.

My angle is I am happy to accept other opinions (10 pages on different opinions about Omni and Alchemy on this thread clearly show that) but you just must have my full compliance. I just must agree it's a fantastic or "terrific deal". Why are you on a mission with this?

Eric clarified the situation but please (directed at you not Eric) don't demand the words "terrific" and a full written apology to go with it. There are still some things I would like changed about Omni in general...but since my opinion differs from yours that is OK right?

If you don't like the price, you definitely shouldn't pay up. However, just complaining that it's not the price you want, won't change anything - if you don't think it's worth it, stand by your principles and don't buy it...

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"just complaining"...here we go again...I really upset you with my comments (somehow). This might surprise you but we will almost certainly not agree on Omnisphere related matters. Please accept that reality already.

No-one's forcing you

Oh really?

Some people want the moon on a stick. And if you give it them, they'll complain then the stick wasn't big enough.

Grrrrrrr

[beej]

He meant "terrific" as in "you won't lose money buy buying Atmos first" and it was pretty reasonable to expect the upgrade price would be the difference between the two instruments - and you interpreted "terrific" as meaning "I can buy Atmo and use this as a way to get OS much cheaper than retail".

Which was, well, rather naive, really... in my opinion, of course.

[pdxindy]

Since this is a thread about Alchemy first, and at most a comparison thread, can the discussion of price go to one of the many Omnisphere threads that have proliferated on kvr? thanks

[koalaboy]

If you don't like the price, you definitely shouldn't pay up. However, just complaining that it's not the price you want, won't change anything - if you don't think it's worth it, stand by your principles and don't buy it...

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"just complaining"...here we go again...I really upset you with my comments (somehow). This might surprise you but we will almost certainly not agree on Omnisphere related matters. Please accept that reality already.

You haven't upset me at all - to be fair, most of my comments were relating to earlier posts but you happened along to reply.

I accept we won't agree.

No-one's forcing you

Oh really?

Yes, really <insert owl here>

I really can't be arsed debating it any more either, so I'll just state my feelings:

Getting two products for the price of one is pretty terrific.

There ya go. Disagree as much as you like (or don't - nobody's forcing you).

[Kriminal]

Some people want the moon on a stick

do you get a free upgrade to Uranus?

[greenman]

to spectrum: thats just how it goes in forums.
youre probably not too often in forums.
forums cant be taken too serious.
we organize parties, and sometimes a great party with 400 visitors gets no posts and another one with 100 visitors gets 150 posts and even though it was depressing, they all write that it was awesome.
so dont let only a few loud-speakers make you too unsure, check the real figures