nice textured shimmery sound, very lush. As b_manic said not a goto, general reverb, but what it does it does very well. Definatly woth 99 bucks
Redline Reverb!
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- KVRian
- 714 posts since 1 Dec, 2005
I didn't really get this reverb when I started demoing it on percussive loops, which is what i usually use when I first audition a reverb. I was getting some nice roomy sounds, but wasn't too sold on much else, it just didn't sit right or do anything for me, then when I tried it on some other general material, wow nice textured shimmery sound, very lush. As b_manic said not a goto, general reverb, but what it does it does very well. Definatly woth 99 bucks
nice textured shimmery sound, very lush. As b_manic said not a goto, general reverb, but what it does it does very well. Definatly woth 99 bucks-
- KVRian
- 897 posts since 2 Aug, 2001 from norway
hmm, now i had to demo it some more. and i still like it lots. for some reason i dug out some old groupbuy samples fronm esoudz, the acoustic and world group buy or something. i never liked those samples, but so many of them got so much life when played through this reverb, so now i wish i had this combo for the last film i scored dobro and sampled acoustic guitar sounded very nice. I remember using the R66 for some really cool "make moveable space" type of effects, and I am now going to attempt that now with this
so far i havent seen anything of the R66 unstability. why is that? is it because the redline is a reprogrammed version? or because my hosts have grown a few numbers since last time? the result is still very pleasant and the cpu meters barely move when using this as well.
dobro and sampled acoustic guitar sounded very nice. I remember using the R66 for some really cool "make moveable space" type of effects, and I am now going to attempt that now with this so far i havent seen anything of the R66 unstability. why is that? is it because the redline is a reprogrammed version? or because my hosts have grown a few numbers since last time? the result is still very pleasant
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 22 Jan, 2009 from the Netherlands
I guess a small clarification is in order: Redline Reverb and R66 share (more or less) the same DSP engine (and hence have very comparable sound) but that's as far as similarities go. Apart from that the entire plugin--GUI, and the actual VST/AU/RTAS plugin code--is 100% new. Also Sonic Flavours and 112dB are in no way related, the DSP engine used to be licensed to SF but is now in 112dB hands.lavoll wrote:so far i havent seen anything of the R66 unstability. why is that? is it because the redline is a reprogrammed version? or because my hosts have grown a few numbers since last time? the result is still very pleasant
-- dj!
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- KVRian
- 1184 posts since 13 May, 2004 from SF Bay Area, California
What's the relationship between 112dB and Audio Ease, by the way?
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 22 Jan, 2009 from the Netherlands
That relationship would be me--I work at Audio Ease and own 112dB.PaulSC wrote:What's the relationship between 112dB and Audio Ease, by the way?
-- dj!
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- KVRian
- 1184 posts since 13 May, 2004 from SF Bay Area, California
Aha, thanks for the explanation.
AE Riverrun is one of the all-time greatest effects plugins IMO. (Kind of a shame that it's only available as part of a rather expensive bundle.)
The Redline Reverb seems to do certain things quite well, although it's not what I'm looking for at the moment.
Anyway, two impressive companies. Best of luck in both of your roles...
AE Riverrun is one of the all-time greatest effects plugins IMO. (Kind of a shame that it's only available as part of a rather expensive bundle.)
The Redline Reverb seems to do certain things quite well, although it's not what I'm looking for at the moment.
Anyway, two impressive companies. Best of luck in both of your roles...
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
I really wish Riverrun was available for the PC. I've been drooling over that one for a long time now.PaulSC wrote:Aha, thanks for the explanation.
AE Riverrun is one of the all-time greatest effects plugins IMO. (Kind of a shame that it's only available as part of a rather expensive bundle.)
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- KVRAF
- 18370 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Oh man, I can't tell you how much I'd love for the Nautilus bundle to be available as a Windows VST. I've been using it with my Mac for years now and it's awesome. Please? PRETTY PLEASE?SuperFly76 wrote:I really wish Riverrun was available for the PC. I've been drooling over that one for a long time now.PaulSC wrote:Aha, thanks for the explanation.
AE Riverrun is one of the all-time greatest effects plugins IMO. (Kind of a shame that it's only available as part of a rather expensive bundle.)
Zerocrossing Media
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- KVRian
- 1018 posts since 7 Oct, 2006
This reverb is on my to buy list. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy it as I've already have a few verb. plus it's not the kind of reverb i need. But i love that type of reverb. And the price is too good to miss so I'll probably get it!
Congrats!
Congrats!
What ever!
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- KVRAF
- 2208 posts since 13 May, 2005
The presets are completely off - at least with the 300 emulation (I couldn't check the rest because I haven't got those units). The Lexicon connection is already very dubious because of the early reflections used on every preset. Apart from the Ambience algorithm Lexicon units don't create early reflections.
As for the sound this actually isn't the worst reverb plugin availible, you can get usefull results with a little tweaking and it doesn't suck in the mix. It also doesn't suffer from the haze like many plugins, on the contrary, it's quite clear and pronounced, often blends quite well with the source and makes believeable rooms. But it doesn't sound anywhere near a big Lexicon either.
And a lot of presets make utterly useless (save experimentall stuff) metallic sounding garbage.
As for the sound this actually isn't the worst reverb plugin availible, you can get usefull results with a little tweaking and it doesn't suck in the mix. It also doesn't suffer from the haze like many plugins, on the contrary, it's quite clear and pronounced, often blends quite well with the source and makes believeable rooms. But it doesn't sound anywhere near a big Lexicon either.
And a lot of presets make utterly useless (save experimentall stuff) metallic sounding garbage.
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 22 Jan, 2009 from the Netherlands
Hey, ask me nice like that... seriously though, my crystall ball tells me this won't happen anytime soon (if at all). The main reason being that the Nautilus bundle's source code is very Mac-centric and far from trivial to port to Windows. Sorry.zerocrossing wrote:Oh man, I can't tell you how much I'd love for the Nautilus bundle to be available as a Windows VST. I've been using it with my Mac for years now and it's awesome. Please? PRETTY PLEASE?
Hmmm, not directly. As far as I remember it runs fine in Reaper here and nobody else has so far reported a similar problem. Anybody here either using it in Reaper or having the same trouble?shogger wrote:I installed the reverb and it doesn't show up in Reaper. Any ideas?
You shd obviously take those Lexicon references with a grain of salt--if Redline Reverb was intended as a Lexicon clone we would probably have gone to far greater lengths to insinuate the connection. It's just that many people remarked (before the Redline Reverb incarnation) on the very Lexicon-*like* nature of the DSP algorithm, and that's really about as much as we want to claim.living sounds wrote:The Lexicon connection is already very dubious because of the early reflections used on every preset. Apart from the Ambience algorithm Lexicon units don't create early reflections.
As for the usability/sound of the presets, I guess there's just no accounting for taste. You and ttoz feel that way, a lot of others don't. What can I say? From experience I know that reverb is something very personal, and since overall you seem to enjoy the plugin nonetheless feel free to replace the factory library your own presets. Hey, even better: submit it to us and we'll even include it as an alternative factory lib!
Peace,
-- dj!
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- KVRAF
- 2813 posts since 14 Feb, 2001 from What do you care? :)
Yeah, I haven't bothered to make the 1:1 (Redline vs. hardware unit) comparison on this end. Looking at the list, I kind of thought it probably wasn't meant to be taken verbatim. And really I don't care.
The general characteristics of what I'm getting from playing with the demo do remind me very much of a Lexicon though, and specifically the PCM70, which isn't actually on that preset list. Which is kind of funny: the ones that are in the preset list don't necessarily correspond, but the one that perhaps does isn't mentioned, lol.
I'm going from memory on the PCM70 and perhaps if I did have a 70 to do a 1:1 comparison it might turn out that they might not be very alike either. But the kinds of sounds, quirks and behavior I'm getting out of the Redline are the kinds of things that I remember getting out of the PCM70 and that I've been hoping to find in a virtual reverb. So I'm a happy camper and sold!
So I would say, get this because it's a great reverb and has a really cool characteristic and imparts a really cool quality to the sound, and because it appears to be very stable and useable. On its own merits.
I have, btw, gotten some very nice comments from people on a little test that I put together with the Redline, specifically about the reverb. A couple of them are musicians whose work I respect very much and who have been doing this for quite a while. They're hearing the music and the sound for what it is and unbiased as to how it's being made, so I take that as a good measure of the quality.
As with any musical instrument though, you have to determine how it works for your music and with your other existing gear. Not by what someone tells you on some forum or in some magazine (though those sources can sometimes be helpful), and not even by some demo that someone else has put together. Demos are just meant to show off some of the capability within different contexts. You're a musician so use those ears!
The fact that 112dB offers such a generous demo certainly makes the process much easier. Thanks for that!
The general characteristics of what I'm getting from playing with the demo do remind me very much of a Lexicon though, and specifically the PCM70, which isn't actually on that preset list. Which is kind of funny: the ones that are in the preset list don't necessarily correspond, but the one that perhaps does isn't mentioned, lol.
I'm going from memory on the PCM70 and perhaps if I did have a 70 to do a 1:1 comparison it might turn out that they might not be very alike either. But the kinds of sounds, quirks and behavior I'm getting out of the Redline are the kinds of things that I remember getting out of the PCM70 and that I've been hoping to find in a virtual reverb. So I'm a happy camper and sold!
So I would say, get this because it's a great reverb and has a really cool characteristic and imparts a really cool quality to the sound, and because it appears to be very stable and useable. On its own merits.
I have, btw, gotten some very nice comments from people on a little test that I put together with the Redline, specifically about the reverb. A couple of them are musicians whose work I respect very much and who have been doing this for quite a while. They're hearing the music and the sound for what it is and unbiased as to how it's being made, so I take that as a good measure of the quality.
As with any musical instrument though, you have to determine how it works for your music and with your other existing gear. Not by what someone tells you on some forum or in some magazine (though those sources can sometimes be helpful), and not even by some demo that someone else has put together. Demos are just meant to show off some of the capability within different contexts. You're a musician so use those ears!
The fact that 112dB offers such a generous demo certainly makes the process much easier. Thanks for that!
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