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Tonebldr · Post by **Tonebldr** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:26 pm

Thanks Fonzy and Om. Those are kind words and much appreciated.

Fonzy had a great insight in an email to me, which is something I perhaps took for granted. I tend to use the sounds together when writing, so the effect was immediate.

Fonzy noticed a big difference when using the DMD library exclusively together (hats, kicks, snares, toms, claps, etc), vs listening to each sound alone.

That makes sense... because the combined elements really give the feel of a console preamp for each channel or an outboard buss compressor. All the demos were created on a computer exclusively. No additional outboard was used.

FX took a little longer than expected. They are now complete and being uploaded. All users will be getting an email within days with download and installation instructions. The DMDX expansion pack is also being uploaded now. 144 new sounds, bringing the total to over 1,820.

FX includes:

X464 HPF, LPF, BPF (12dB Analog Resonant Filters)
ROGUE 2 + 4 (2 Pole and 4 Pole 24dB LPF)
DAFT FILTER (SEM Based LPF)
Demetri RVRB (10 Analog Spring Reverbs)
VNTG RVRB (2 Plates for Snares)
3D REV (2 spatial reverbs, drum room and vocal room)

Tonebldr · Post by **Tonebldr** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:43 am

Here's some video of the FX in action. All the drums from DMD... no additional processing except gentle drum buss compression:

Here's the video in .mov format with Apple Lossless Audio... audio sounds better:

CLICK TO DOWNLOAD (18mb)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/omxvwz1azzo/dmdfx.mov

The video showcases the DMD-FX programs encoded for Nebula3 Free. These were captured from their equivalent analog sources. You can hear the filters and reverbs in the video on drum sounds. The real-time control is smooth, but the patch changing causes a slight audio bump. I want to show multiple filters so you can hear the unique quality each one has.

Of course, these FX + Nebula Free work on any source, including guitars, basses, synths. Here's some audio of a synth being processed with the X464 Band Pass FIlter and 3DREV1 (custom spatialization reverb). First 4 measures dry, then 16 measures wet w/ automation:

CLICK TO LISTEN:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dzmmanyxozg/DMD-FX Synth Test.mp3

I'll be posting the system requirements for the FX soon. The drums obviously work with almost every platform, but the Nebula Free player is a bit more restricted. I know the Mac is BETA now. These FX will work on the official MAC free release.

"Official" details coming soon : )

cheers!

Nathaniel

Tonebldr · Post by **Tonebldr** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:37 pm

I just finished and uploaded a couple of updates.

The first is 144 new sounds, which I call DMD-X. These use more extreme settings on the hardware for a more processed sounds.

The second update is an effects collection.

DMD-FX:

DMD-FX contains a collection of programs (effects) and a free version of the Nebula player. The programs have been encoded exclusively for DMD to run on the free player that is included.

Demetri RVRB:
10 Spring reverbs captured from a high-end spring reverb unit. Every possible setting was captured and included. The process is similar in concept to convolution reverb, except this is dynamic. There are actually 30 layers of samples for multiple input levels. The ringing of the springs increases as the input also increases.

I actually auditioned these programs vs. the real thing side by side. The meters moved in exact synchronicity. I could not tell any difference when A/Bing the nebula program vs. the real thing. I would guarantee that there is NO spring reverb in the computer that sounds as life-like as this.

3DREV:
These two are custom reverbs based on real spaces, but with additional processing to increase the depth perception. One is a vocal chamber and the other is a drum room.

VNTG RVRB:
Two vintage plate effects, combined with tubes. Sounds great on snares.

DAFT FLTR:
A 12dB SEM Low Pass Filter, captured from a rare and sought after effects processor.

ROGUE 2+4:
Two 24dB Low Pass Filters.

X464 FLTRS:
A LPF, BPF, and HPF. All 12dB filters.

NOTE: The included Nebula player is approved for Windows use, VST only. People have reported success using a wrapper for other formats. There is a link to a BETA version of the Mac player (VST) included. The official Mac release is coming soon, at which point the FX programs will obviously be supported.

So, in addition to the now 1,800+ sounds, there are some really nice FX : ) The FX work on the drums or any other source you desire.

cheers!

Nathaniel

PS: The text on the website hasn't been updated to reflect these new sounds and effects. Any user who's already grabbed the collection will be getting this update within a couple of days from me. The FX library is 2.2GB...

It is available now for any new user now.

states · Post by **states** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:14 am

ok... i'm convinced and i'm purchasing right away!

states · Post by **states** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:23 pm

ok, i purchased this collection yesterday and i'm stunned by the sheer quality of the provided drum/perc samples ! what can i say... all of the favourable reviews are correct and then some, or so it seems !
the bonus spring reverb vectors are fantastic as well! in fact they could justify the entire purchase on their own !

i only have one niggle.. how about providing 'properly traditional' 24bit convolution wav's for the spring reverb, rather than the disappointingly impossible to use (at least for me) nebulafree format ??

would this be too much trouble Nathaniel ? i'm only asking because from what i managed to hear the reverbs must be absolutely awesome!

sirocco · Post by **sirocco** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:30 pm

Just heard these today! From the little I had time to hear -- these are quality, quality, quality! Buy them if you are thinking about it -- you will not regret it! Great job ToneBuilder -- and it's nice to see someone put their soul into a project for once -- I can easily hear when something was a labor or love -- or just made to make a quick buck. This, ladies n' gentleman, was a labor of love!

-Sirocco (SonicSpecialists)

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:57 pm

robojam wrote:Might be a good deal, I don't know, but the page reads like an infomercial. Would be better if it was just presented as what it is.

The page makes my skin crawl and might as well be yelling "scam!" Also the idea that the developer is introducing some sort of artificially scarcity makes me run away. How about just just showing a good product and how you're charging a fair price for it?

Tonebldr · Post by **Tonebldr** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:35 pm

sirocco wrote:Just heard these today! From the little I had time to hear -- these are quality, quality, quality! Buy them if you are thinking about it -- you will not regret it! Great job ToneBuilder -- and it's nice to see someone put their soul into a project for once -- I can easily hear when something was a labor or love -- or just made to make a quick buck. This, ladies n' gentleman, was a labor of love!

-Sirocco (SonicSpecialists)

Thanks Sirocco,

That means a lot coming from you. Love your sounds...

best,

Nathaniel

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:59 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
robojam wrote:Might be a good deal, I don't know, but the page reads like an infomercial. Would be better if it was just presented as what it is.
The page makes my skin crawl and might as well be yelling "scam!" Also the idea that the developer is introducing some sort of artificially scarcity makes me run away. How about just just showing a good product and how you're charging a fair price for it?

Your paranoia is getting the better of you!

There are many regular and respected posters both here and at Gear Junkies that rate this set highly. I purchased it last week and would compare it to the standards of Goldbaby (best drum sample sets on the market till now).

I also think his web page reads like a chain letter but the fact Nathaniel is a 'bit rubbish' at marketing isn't what matters it's the quality of his work, and that is exceptional.

Download the generous demo collections and judge those, not his rubbish copy writing skills!

Note to Nathaniel (sorry mate but it is a bit cheesy and while it may have generated a ton of word of mouth on this occasion, not so sure the strategy will work on future collections).

JM

http://leftside-wobble.blogspot.com/

rexlapin · Post by **rexlapin** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:01 am

Thanks for the continuing updates. I would also appreciate the
proper files for use in convolution reverbs if that would be
possible to do. Keep up the good work!
Cheers,
Scott

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:13 am

metrosonic wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
robojam wrote:Might be a good deal, I don't know, but the page reads like an infomercial. Would be better if it was just presented as what it is.
The page makes my skin crawl and might as well be yelling "scam!" Also the idea that the developer is introducing some sort of artificially scarcity makes me run away. How about just just showing a good product and how you're charging a fair price for it?
Your paranoia is getting the better of you!

There are many regular and respected posters both here and at Gear Junkies that rate this set highly. I purchased it last week and would compare it to the standards of Goldbaby (best drum sample sets on the market till now).

I also think his web page reads like a chain letter but the fact Nathaniel is a 'bit rubbish' at marketing isn't what matters it's the quality of his work, and that is exceptional.

Download the generous demo collections and judge those, not his rubbish copy writing skills!

Note to Nathaniel (sorry mate but it is a bit cheesy and while it may have generated a ton of word of mouth on this occasion, not so sure the strategy will work on future collections).

JM

http://leftside-wobble.blogspot.com/

Ironically, I think the early dramatics over the same subject might have made quite a few people give a second look to what's been offered.

When I first saw this, I wrote it off quickly too thinking it might be a scam, but since then there has been much praise and I guess I'm about ready for a second look myself.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:35 am

elxicano wrote:
metrosonic wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
robojam wrote:Might be a good deal, I don't know, but the page reads like an infomercial. Would be better if it was just presented as what it is.
The page makes my skin crawl and might as well be yelling "scam!" Also the idea that the developer is introducing some sort of artificially scarcity makes me run away. How about just just showing a good product and how you're charging a fair price for it?
Your paranoia is getting the better of you!

There are many regular and respected posters both here and at Gear Junkies that rate this set highly. I purchased it last week and would compare it to the standards of Goldbaby (best drum sample sets on the market till now).

I also think his web page reads like a chain letter but the fact Nathaniel is a 'bit rubbish' at marketing isn't what matters it's the quality of his work, and that is exceptional.

Download the generous demo collections and judge those, not his rubbish copy writing skills!

Note to Nathaniel (sorry mate but it is a bit cheesy and while it may have generated a ton of word of mouth on this occasion, not so sure the strategy will work on future collections).

JM

http://leftside-wobble.blogspot.com/
Ironically, I think the early dramatics over the same subject might have made quite a few people give a second look to what's been offered.

When I first saw this, I wrote it off quickly too thinking it might be a scam, but since then there has been much praise and I guess I'm about ready for a second look myself.

That's my point, isn't it? Why go strait to Billy Mays marketing techniques when word of a good product spreads like wildfire here on KVR? If I were the OP I'd take down that site, put a brief paragraph about the recording techniques and gear used (perhaps a list too), a whole lot of example tracks and direct quotes from this thread of happy customers. Gimmicks like causing artificial scarcity are for Benie Babies, not software. You cheapen yourself when you stoop to those tricks.

Again, I'm not even talking about the product. Between mDrummer, Battery, Synthetic Drums, Jamstix and a MASHINE DRUM library I've got so many drum samples I'd probably never be able to get though them all. I'm not stating this to be a jerk, I'm trying to help what seems like a decent business get a better send off than it's giving itself. I read what ghettosynth wrote after I posted my first post and I bet that for every one vocal ghettosynths you're getting 20 silent ones who are passing this library by.

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:15 pm

Tonebldr- thanks VERY much for this library and the passion you have for it.
yesterday, I received notice of the update (DMDx and DMD-FX).
I had tried Nebula many moons ago and could not make heads or tails out of the thing. Had a trickier install back then as I recall. This install went smooth as silk and the fx that you have provided are stellar. Best sounding spring verb on a computer I've ever heard.
Thanks for tempting me into another look at nebula

Again- awesome product and best of luck going forward with you next venture. I'll certainly stay tuned!

om · Post by om » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:29 pm

I think its interesting the number of posts highlighting how tonebuilders marketing approach does not conform to individuals ideas about what good marketing is. I guess my perspective is that creativity is about non-conformity and I find myself wondering if people would sacrifice a bit of the creativity for the sake of conformity.

I wouldn't. To my way of thinking this line of reasoning is the expressway to mediocrity.

My

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elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:05 pm

om wrote:I think its interesting the number of posts highlighting how tonebuilders marketing approach does not conform to individuals ideas about what good marketing is. I guess my perspective is that creativity is about non-conformity and I find myself wondering if people would sacrifice a bit of the creativity for the sake of conformity.

I wouldn't. To my way of thinking this line of reasoning is the expressway to mediocrity.

My

.0234721 (Australian cents)

It does conform to standard marketing practices that have been associated with scams, hence the discussion regarding the marketing practices and tonebuilder's choice of those practices, despite having a solid product that is gaining praise solely on the quality of the product.

I could understand your point IF it at actually made sense. For it to make sense, the marketing approach would be unique and this unfortunately is not unique.

Aside from one individuals criticisms, the main point of the discussion has been a healthy suggestion that his approach may be scaring off potential customers as opposed to gaining them.

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