ValhallaÜberMod

[miro pajic]

I'm sure he means automation, because that's the ONLY little thing that I notice (and I do a lot automation on effects like yours), that it could be displayed as in the plugin itself. No big deal though..

[valhallasound]

I noticed that the automation of some parameters in ÜberMod is not so finetunable inside Logic - e.g. if I have a Slow Rate setting of 0.06 the next step in Logic will be 0.16 so the smallest scaling seems to be 0.1 steps which is far too much to automate small transitions of the Mod speed.

I wonder if Logic quantizes the automation settings. With the option+mouse click of the ÜberMod controls, you can select much smaller steps. I'll do some looking into this.

Sean Costello

[metrosonic]

In order to do this, I would need to expand the delay buffers inside the plugin. If they got much bigger, you would start seeing BIG jumps in CPU usage, as the plugin would no longer fit in the cache. I love looping delays (and I really do love love love them), but I can't afford to make this a long looper at the CPU expense of the other applications of the plugin.

Could you consider making a second version for longer delays, that way the user is in control, if their CPU can handle it they can user V2 of UberMod in 'long looper' mode.

Seems like a sensible idea to me!

JM
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[valhallasound]

In order to do this, I would need to expand the delay buffers inside the plugin. If they got much bigger, you would start seeing BIG jumps in CPU usage, as the plugin would no longer fit in the cache. I love looping delays (and I really do love love love them), but I can't afford to make this a long looper at the CPU expense of the other applications of the plugin.

Could you consider making a second version for longer delays, that way the user is in control, if their CPU can handle it they can user V2 of UberMod in 'long looper' mode.

Seems like a sensible idea to me!

The problem is that, when I build a new update for ÜberMod, I have to build 16 plugins (full/demo, Win/OSX, VST/AU/RTAS, 32/64 bit). Creating a second version of ÜberMod with longer delay buffers would result in having to build and test 32 versions every time I released an update.

I'll keep thinking about the "long delay" question.

Sean Costello

[metrosonic]

I'll keep thinking about the "long delay" question.

Sean Costello

I'm glad it's something you're still pondering.

JM
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[valhallasound]

I'll keep thinking about the "long delay" question.

Sean Costello

I'm glad it's something you're still pondering.

I'm a big Frippertronics fan. I love the Fripp/Eno stuff, where the loop was made between 2 Revox A77 reel-to-reels. Those were fairly high fidelity tape decks, but you could still hear some lovely saturation and loss of high frequencies on the repeats. I'd be happy to get these sort of sounds out of ÜberMod, while still preserving the lower memory usage (and corresponding lower CPU hit) for chorus/flanger/echo functions.

Sean Costello

[metrosonic]

I'm a big Frippertronics fan. I love the Fripp/Eno stuff, where the loop was made between 2 Revox A77 reel-to-reels. Those were fairly high fidelity tape decks, but you could still hear some lovely saturation and loss of high frequencies on the repeats. I'd be happy to get these sort of sounds out of ÜberMod, while still preserving the lower memory usage (and corresponding lower CPU hit) for chorus/flanger/echo functions.

Sean Costello

I'm a huge Frippertronics fan myself and obviously as a dance producer I love the stuff Fripp dubbed 'Discotronics' when he layered all the tape loop stuff with a disco style backing. The David Byrne sung Under Heavy Manners is a particular fave and I've always wanted to produce something similar but using warped 303 type timbres as the basis of the tape loops! ÜberMod paired with Shimmer via some funky send routing could be a very powerful combination, especially if you're able to eek out longer loop buffers without killing the CPU...

JM
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[bangzero]

ÜberMod paired with Shimmer via some funky send routing could be a very powerful combination, especially if you're able to eek out longer loop buffers without killing the CPU...

if you are doing funky send routing, couldn't you combine UberMod & Shimmer with a more basic delay for the "longer loop" part? inspired by this thread, i've been playing with that sort of thing tonight in Reaper (which can allow feedback in fx routing). big fun! what would longer loops natively in UberMod add to this?

[Freaqpeak]

A quick trick to double the max time: Go into WARP, and hit the Speed button, so that it is playing at 1/2 speed. This doubles the delay time.

Ok, I will try

Have you tried holding down the option key, and then clicking the mouse on the parameter? This allows for finer control over the slider/knob. Or are you talking about drawing in automation?

Yea, I'm talking about drawing automation (in my case Cubase 6).

[metrosonic]

ÜberMod paired with Shimmer via some funky send routing could be a very powerful combination, especially if you're able to eek out longer loop buffers without killing the CPU...

if you are doing funky send routing, couldn't you combine UberMod & Shimmer with a more basic delay for the "longer loop" part? inspired by this thread, i've been playing with that sort of thing tonight in Reaper (which can allow feedback in fx routing). big fun! what would longer loops natively in UberMod add to this?

The bit that's hard to emulate ITB is the tape saturation and gradual degradation in the signal you get on each pass through the tape loop. It's subtle stuff sure but I've yet to hear a looper effect ITB that havs that 'Frippertronics' feel. As you say though much fun can be had by feeding back on your own FX routing.

JM
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[bangzero]

The bit that's hard to emulate ITB is the tape saturation and gradual degradation in the signal you get on each pass through the tape loop.

i put an instance of UberMod with some drive inside the feedback loop to get this feeling. also fun are some of the chorus and ensemble presets which make the long delays evolve and mutate in strange ways. UberMod has exceptionally good controls for finding just the right sweet spot for a wide range of sonic transformations, subtle, radical, *and* everywhere in between.

[valhallasound]

The bit that's hard to emulate ITB is the tape saturation and gradual degradation in the signal you get on each pass through the tape loop.

i put an instance of UberMod with some drive inside the feedback loop to get this feeling. also fun are some of the chorus and ensemble presets which make the long delays evolve and mutate in strange ways. UberMod has exceptionally good controls for finding just the right sweet spot for a wide range of sonic transformations, subtle, radical, *and* everywhere in between.

This is a good idea. Both ÜberMod and Shimmer can be placed in a larger feedback loop, with the feedback gain being used to control the overall decay time, and still have the results be fairly stable. A few hints:

- For both plugins, set MIX at 100% wet
- FEEDBACK should be 0%. You will use the routing in your plugin to get the feedback.
- UberMod should be placed in the 2TapChorus mode, with WIDTH at 100%. This will route a single delay tap to each output, ensuring stability.
- In ÜberMod, turning on Diffusion will still ensure stability, as this is a "unitary" diffusion network (as opposed to ValhallaRoom, which won't be stable when placed in a feedback loop)
- Use ÜberMod to get the drive, diffusion, noise and modulation that you want in your longer loop, and a long clean delay for the actual loop length.
- To get multitap effects, send the output of your feedback delay track to a second instance of ÜberMod, and use the outputs of this as your actual audio signal in the mix. In a feedforward system, you can use as many taps as you want without worrying about stability.

The above recommendations are aimed at getting stable, clean feedback loops that can sustain almost forever without blowing up. If you turn on the DRIVE section in ÜberMod, this will clip things before they get too loud, so you can get feedback gains greater than 0 dB, or use more taps in the feedback loop.

Regards,

Sean Costello

[4damind]

Short playground, lead sounds from Novation V-Station, Reverbs of course ValhallaRoom Übermod on both arpeggiated lead sounds with different settings (phaser is not from Übermod).

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8547138/audio/f ... tation.mp3

[bangzero]

A few hints:

vcool! will be putting these hints into practice rsn. big thanks Sean!

[hibidy]

I guess for me, I kinda like subtle. I threw it on this dumb little thing I'm working on and to me it really adds some extra life.

http://www.box.com/s/kp8da74gi8l0dbd3jxic

http://www.box.com/s/llr5cjnxrz6pmhv9gmbv