KVR Audio

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:11 pm

VitaminD wrote:it was OK when monitors were 4:3 but in 16:10, or worse 16:9 mode, like most/all display monitors are these days... its silly to have graphics still designed for 4:3. I guess one could turn their monitor 90 degrees. but then the piano roll is squished..

Yep, even then the width/height ratio was questionable, but more saliently for me, it was OK when we didn't have insane screen resolutions like 1900x1200 on a 17" notebook display. I'm a musician, not a freakin' neurosurgeon...

so long
Andreas aka Ace

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:13 pm

What I want the new container to be, is something completely different:

Imagine an develop enviroment like Synthedit/Synthmaker/Reaktor/MAX, with which you could build any Instrument or Effect device you like...perhaps even with a simple programming language like Synthmaker has for creating own modules or changing/ upgrading existing ones...

Yeah, that would be something groundbreaking and would be future-proof...

Delivered in their own format with their own code, they would keep everything under control without any compatibilty issues like they've ever wanted...All the Probs would have to do in the future is from time to time building up some new modules/possibilities...together with the user created ones means a user based library like Reaktor has, many wishes of new Instruments/FX would be fullfilled for ages...

This is the step I would make for Reason...

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:17 pm

But even with re-sizable rack then each vst needs to stretch as well... a mess!
Just imagine a Sylenth1 and a Firebird into a rack. Who gets what...
Perhaps a panel that deals remotely with the vst for cables madness integration and a floating window for the vst kind of Live vst rack with optional controls on the side.

How else would you do it?

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:19 pm

Trancit wrote:What I want the new container to be, is something completely different:

Imagine an develop enviroment like Synthedit/Synthmaker/Reaktor/MAX, with which you could build any Instrument or Effect device you like...perhaps even with a simple programming language like Synthmaker has for creating own modules or changing/ upgrading existing ones...

Yeah, that would be something groundbreaking and would be future-proof...

Delivered in their own format with their own code, they would keep everything under control without any compatibilty issues like they've ever wanted...All the Probs would have to do in the future is from time to time building up some new modules/possibilities...together with the user created ones means a user based library like Reaktor has, many wishes of new Instruments/FX would be fullfilled for ages...

This is the step I would make for Reason...

That is a wish for MuLab which is getting close to that

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:40 pm

liquidsound wrote:One issue with the VST rack is that how to do you fit all kinds of vst interface into a no resizable rack?

You can't! Also, how do you fit VST's into the Reason rack way of hooking things up i.e. with virtual audio & CV cables? You can't do that either. It just wouldn't ..... it couldn't work! It's like trying to fit a square peg through a round hole. The only way I've ever seen this working is with some sort of clever Propellerheads wrapper that allows you to use plug-ins via a device in the Reason rack. But even this is a stretch because of the way things work in Reason. I really can't ever see it happening. But as someone else said, never say never. Stranger things have happened .... I guess! but it's just something I firmly believe will NEVER happen in Reason.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:49 pm

Maybe is a Rack that has nothing to do with Reason per se.
Maybe is a Rack in which you can load up any vst and with some kind of magical rewire on steroids and MIDI map it turns the vst into cable modular system and it could the be use standalone and also with reason and... you pay $$$ for that!

CS80 · Post by **CS80** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:58 pm

******SPOILER ALERT******

Babya Reason out March 20

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:09 pm

CWoodOne wrote:******SPOILER ALERT******

Babya Reason out March 20

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:12 pm

Urs wrote:
CWoodOne wrote:******SPOILER ALERT******

Babya Reason out March 20

It will have the new One Ping Only called Two Pings Only as flagship instrument.
But it will be called RePinged

skipkent · Post by **skipkent** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:18 pm

gpunk wrote:They finally updated Rex to allow multiple layers with Recycle 3 which is now based on ARA (Complete pipe dream because the last time they made anything that useful was when they made Recycle itself, but how cool would it be )

Ah. Recycle integration may finally be a part of the equation. The ability to export REX loops from Reason would be fairly cool.

skipkent · Post by **skipkent** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:25 pm

liquidsound wrote:But even with re-sizable rack then each vst needs to stretch as well... a mess!
Just imagine a Sylenth1 and a Firebird into a rack. Who gets what...
Perhaps a panel that deals remotely with the vst for cables madness integration and a floating window for the vst kind of Live vst rack with optional controls on the side.

How else would you do it?

It would be a Combinator-like front end with knobs-n-sliders-n-stuff, with key parameters already assigned. Maybe a toolkit so that either we and/or plugin devs could customize our own front end with graphics and everything. Meanwhile, the default outboard 3rd party gui will be available outside of the rack if needed, with a default (Cominator-like(TM)) interface inside the ReasonGUI latched to it.

Cables could only be assigned via the Combinator-like(TM) interface, so anything not mapped by default or by the user would be unavailable in that regard.

skipkent · Post by **skipkent** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:32 pm

Speaking of cables, I wonder if they might be creating an alternative to that. As much fun as they can be at times, they can be a real pain. They could provide an option to invoke a page in which everything is visible and fully editable in a more streamlined drag-and-droppable sort of way. Something more akin to Tracktion's racks and vst-as-Colorforms approach would be saaa-WHEAT!

(snif)

Tracktion. Now I'm getting emotional.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:37 pm

skipkent wrote:
liquidsound wrote:But even with re-sizable rack then each vst needs to stretch as well... a mess!
Just imagine a Sylenth1 and a Firebird into a rack. Who gets what...
Perhaps a panel that deals remotely with the vst for cables madness integration and a floating window for the vst kind of Live vst rack with optional controls on the side.

How else would you do it?
It would be a Combinator-like front end with knobs-n-sliders-n-stuff, with key parameters already assigned. Maybe a toolkit so that either we and/or plugin devs could customize our own front end with graphics and everything. Meanwhile, the default outboard 3rd party gui will be available outside of the rack if needed, with a default (Cominator-like(TM)) interface inside the ReasonGUI latched to it.

Cables could only be assigned via the Combinator-like(TM) interface, so anything not mapped by default or by the user would be unavailable in that regard.

Like they say
When you reach the end of your CABLE, tie a knot in it and hang on

bobbybland · Post by **bobbybland** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:42 pm

if it doesnt offer recycle in reason for tight integration i'll be shocked,seems like a decent move.also plugin support should be there by now.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:02 pm

liquidsound wrote:One issue with the VST rack is that how to do you fit all kinds of vst interface into a no resizable rack?
Then it means that either developer needs to redesign just for PH or the rack has to stretch (Ace wish) to accommodate everything made out there or is something transparent and the vst do not mount inside Reason....

That is why you come out with your own SDK. Then you define (and force) the maximum GUI size as well as input/outputs to accomodate for the wiring capability in Reason.

Using VST SDK itself could never happen in Reason for the reasons (such as yours) already explained. However, A new Propellerheads instruments/effects SDK COULD as well as introduce other features not available in VST. Then you have something else like Recycle and Rewire that other DAWs integrate and still remain relevant as a company.

Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"