KVR Audio

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:37 pm

This goes out to the marketing departments of nearly every company in existence:

dgkenney · Post by **dgkenney** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:45 pm

hivkorn wrote:Let the people think what they want

Now what kind of world would that lead to?

Dan

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:54 pm

braj wrote: It seems that Presonus hosts a blog, but considers any posts to be perceived as independent opinions, but when I see a company blog I figure the people posting are employed by and speak for the company, that is my subjective perception from my individual experiences.

I don't disagree, but I think that this could just as easily, if not more likely, be a case of one marketing guy who didn't know any better posting something erroneous and it flew under the radar of the Studio One team. PreSonus is presumably a pretty large company with many different divisions probably spread out geographically, so it undoubtedly can happen. I work in a small company of 20-some people and even I encounter people from other divisions within my firm spreading misinformation about my division on a somewhat regular basis, and probably vice-versa. It's not intended to be harmful or deceitful, it just happens. Nobody gets fired or reprimanded, we just set them straight (if necessary), lesson learned, yada yada yada, move on.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:56 pm

he sound better .....

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:10 pm

cryophonik wrote:
braj wrote: It seems that Presonus hosts a blog, but considers any posts to be perceived as independent opinions, but when I see a company blog I figure the people posting are employed by and speak for the company, that is my subjective perception from my individual experiences.
I don't disagree, but I think that this could just as easily, if not more likely, be a case of one marketing guy who didn't know any better posting something erroneous and it flew under the radar of the Studio One team. PreSonus is presumably a pretty large company with many different divisions probably spread out geographically, so it undoubtedly can happen. I work in a small company of 20-some people and even I encounter people from other divisions within my firm spreading misinformation about my division on a somewhat regular basis, and probably vice-versa. It's not intended to be harmful or deceitful, it just happens. Nobody gets fired or reprimanded, we just set them straight (if necessary), lesson learned, yada yada yada, move on.

I know from my experience that marketing is very deliberate, and I doubt that he was flying under the radar, it was meant to make Presonus look good and I imagine it is intentional. But then I could be wrong. I think what was posted wasn't thought out well, whoever was doing the thinking. No big deal really, what do we really expect from the guys in charge of selling the product? Just the way it was handled was clumbsy, the retraction a little insulting, and yes, I think disingenuous to portray him as an independent entity merely expressing his opinion. That's not why they have a blog linked to their homepage after all. What if his opinion was reversed, that it didn't sound as good as other DAWs? Would he be allowed to continue?

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:15 pm

hivkorn wrote:

he sound better .....

Oh I'm not even gonna hit play on that one! It needs a warning label!

pough · Post by **pough** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:21 pm

headquest wrote:For comparisson, here's a claim made in a printed advert in the current issue of Music Tech Magazine (and no doubt all the other mags too):

AVID Marketing wrote:Introducing Pro Tools 10, the next generation of the best sounding, most powerful audio production software for recording, composing, editing and mixing music and sound for picture.

The interesting (and sad) thing about better and best is that the superlative is considered less of an issue than the comparative. That is to say, claims of being "better" are competitive. Claims to being "best" are not.

We're all the best!

A couple of things I'll mention since I started this thread.

1. I am a StudioOne user.
2. I don't want Rodney to get fired.
3. I do want the actual issue to be addressed.
4. I doubt it ever will be.
5. I wonder if Rodney actually believes that his response to the issue is a response to the issue. It's something that he was happy to stake his reputation on, after all.
6. People can believe whatever they want about the software they use, but companies should be required to not misrepresent factual issues (even when they're just hosting a blog). That's why I think that PreSonus did what was required of them.
7. The reality of auditory capabilities is far more interesting than the fantasy and knowing the truth is an advantage. Isn't it?

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:29 pm

It seems that everyone here knows that whatever Presonus blog was calming is absurd right? And the whole world knows the same thing (or we think the KVR are the Smartest... kind of Presonus blog attitude) and we know about marketing pushng agendas and the other software companies have done similar claims and...
So what is with all this "Ah! Thats so wroooong" attitude.
We know what they are doing and they know that we know better anyway.
Time wasted on matter of facts.

Well, at least here, finally, all those attacks everywhere at FL for not sounding good enough have at least been put down to rest. All the DAWs sound the same including FL.
Yheeeee

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:48 pm

Standalone, you alright man? I don't think gpunk is trolling, in fact I understand.

I'll be as bold as to say if someone can't do their job, they shouldn't have it. I don't know why this would equate to wanting people to lose their jobs. But accountability (or lack there of) is the key. Be accountable first, then we'll see.....

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:21 pm

I'm guessing that there might be some sort of accountability procedure going on..but that he should lose his job over one lousy blog post is a kind of an overreaction in my books.

As I am typing this, I have a little Spring cuddled up between my arms...hence typing is a bit interesting here...lol

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:45 pm

trimph1 wrote:I'm guessing that there might be some sort of accountability procedure going on..but that he should lose his job over one lousy blog post is a kind of an overreaction in my books.

As I am typing this, I have a little Spring cuddled up between my arms...hence typing is a bit interesting here...lol

Well, I'm not trying to imply he should loose his job, but what is being said isn't trolling. People are tired of false advertising, you must expect it to conjure negative responses.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:04 pm

dgkenney wrote:
hivkorn wrote:Let the people think what they want
Now what kind of world would that lead to?

Dan

A world where people get to decide for themselves if a magnetic bracelet will improve their health, if $200 rock will make their speakers sound better, or if a Synthmaker compressor with a really analog sounding GUI really does sound as good as a Neve.

I think they call it "free will".

I'm all for free will. I also have a pretty good grip on the concept of "perception". I disagree with the perceptions of many ... but... unless one of them happens to be my financial adviser... it's not that important.

dreamkeeper · Post by **dreamkeeper** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:00 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I'm all for free willy.

fixed

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:19 pm

hibidy wrote:
trimph1 wrote:I'm guessing that there might be some sort of accountability procedure going on..but that he should lose his job over one lousy blog post is a kind of an overreaction in my books.

As I am typing this, I have a little Spring cuddled up between my arms...hence typing is a bit interesting here...lol
Well, I'm not trying to imply he should loose his job, but what is being said isn't trolling. People are tired of false advertising, you must expect it to conjure negative responses.

I did not see it as trolling either.

But the claims are getting really out of hand...I've seen some people suggest that those marketing men need to be taking courses in the basics of programming to really understand what DAWs are capable of...

Workflow people...it is workflow that should be the thing...not whether something sounds better...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:33 am

Fwiw, is that the same Rodney (Orpheus) that worked for Steinberg?
If so, yes, he should be fired instantly! He has been constantly proven to have not a single clue at all on numerous occasions. He may come through impressive at first, but once you go just a little bit deeper, you will notice that he's just an idiot. An idiot of magnitude order. Not a single company deserves to get their reputation spoiled by any such morons. And yes, I've seen his presentations. I've talked to him. I had contact to him through mailing lists.
And well, if you want to call me a fascist because of that, feel free to do so. It won't change my opinion by the slightest bit.

My sincere apologies in case it's not the same Rodney. But I have a very strong feeling that he is.
One or the other Steinberg refugee working at Presonus now might've felt sorry for that poor bloke and offered him a job. But he certainly doesn't deserve being a spokesman at all. At least he should be offered to either be fired or not post anything on the net anymore ever again.

- Sascha

Studio One sounds better, thanks to... It just does.