Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[felonytrance]

It seems quite likely that Propellerhead can see RE as a cash cow moving forward, and that development of the core software is unlikely from a business point of view to take priority. Very sad.

I'd say it's the opposite. I think that we will see a more focused development of Reason as a platform in the following updates. RE imho was made so that props can focus on actual workflow and other core features in Reason rather than to be 'locked up' by developing new devices for each release. So I'm on the contrary quite hopeful to see what Reason 7 and the following versions will bring...

I have to agree that since they can rely on other people to make devices that they can work on the program itself. Workflow, performance, recycle integration.

Also they should have cash coming in to hire more people to make the DAW it to par with others.

this may be wishful thinking but it makes sense. If they stop focusing on reason then they are going to have a hard time keeping up.


We'll see, but I do agree with some that at this point the RE are not something that I personally need/want

[kmonkey]

Really? How do you draw your LFO curves? Which device have that option? I never saw it. I tried Reason 1 back in old days and then i tried v3. Now i tried v6 and i can't see it.

I can think of 2 ways to do this:

1. switch the matrix to curve mode (little switch in the top left). Draw a wave.
2. use the curve CV of the thor's step sequencer. You can't see the settings but you have 2 curves you can set with the knobs.

It's not as nice as a graphical draw mode like Zebra's/Alchemy's/Omnisphere's MSEGs though.

Hey that's great. Thor step sequencer seems a bit complicated but drawing it with matrix that's indeed great I tried it. It isn't actually detailed and smooth curve but it's great none the less.

I guess imagination is key here

[kmonkey]

good news.. i don't know if it's a 6.5 update thing, but i have been moving fx order around like crazy and everything stays patched

Theo it was always like that afaik. Maybe we are talking about two separate things here.

You can move i mean visually reorder effects and they will stay patched. But they will stay patched like in the beginning when you started to create chain of effects.

Which means if you put eq before compressor and patched it, it will stay that no matter where you put it in a rack after that - behind or after several devices bellow or ahead it will stay patched before compressor(unlike other host where visually place where effect is means his place in chain).

If however you mean that (for example) if you move EQ and it is repatched inside chain, somehow automatically - then that's great new feature

[eXode]

Really? How do you draw your LFO curves? Which device have that option? I never saw it. I tried Reason 1 back in old days and then i tried v3. Now i tried v6 and i can't see it.

I can think of 2 ways to do this:

1. switch the matrix to curve mode (little switch in the top left). Draw a wave.
2. use the curve CV of the thor's step sequencer. You can't see the settings but you have 2 curves you can set with the knobs.

It's not as nice as a graphical draw mode like Zebra's/Alchemy's/Omnisphere's MSEGs though.

Hey that's great. Thor step sequencer seems a bit complicated but drawing it with matrix that's indeed great :) I tried it. It isn't actually detailed and smooth curve but it's great none the less.

I guess imagination is key here :P

Yes, and in Reason 4 you could use a filter in Thor or even a compressor to smooth it out (Thor can be used to convert audio to cv and vice versa). In Reason 6, patching up CV into the Pulveriser's follower turns it into a lag processor with individual attack and release times, another way of smoothing a signal. :)

Reason can do a lot of stuff that isn't always apparent at first, that's what I meant earlier by "tinkering" but I understand that not everyone wants that.

[headquest]

Reason can do a lot of stuff that isn't always apparent at first, that's what I meant earlier by "tinkering" but I understand that not everyone wants that.

Indeed - and your amazing refills show a lot of what can be acheived to those that have very in depth understanding of the power user possibilities of Reason. For people like you who do enjoy to tinker, Reason is a stunning platform without doubt

[simesf]

Hi eXode,

I guess putting your soundsets in your sig is a good idea; I just had a listen and ordered 2! I have to agree that you do show what Reason is capable of.

[eXode]

Indeed - and your amazing refills show a lot of what can be acheived to those that have very in depth understanding of the power user possibilities of Reason. For people like you who do enjoy to tinker, Reason is a stunning platform without doubt 8)

Thanks for the kind words. :)

Hi eXode,

I guess putting your soundsets in your sig is a good idea; I just had a listen and ordered 2! I have to agree that you do show what Reason is capable of.

Hey! I'm glad you feel that way about my soundsets and thanks for you business! I hope they bring you much enjoyment! :)

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[eXode]

My third is that there is honestly, and i am not being difficult here, but there is not a decent eq in the program, and a good eq is like the most essential thing on the planet. A dmg or fab filter RE can not come soon enough.. you listening guys? Trust me it will sell like hotcakes.. this program DESPERATELY needs a good eq, especially for high boosting, and low cuts.

Lastly, it would be nice if it was a rewire master so i could rewire live into it when i want to audition loops at tempo.

One thing i DO like is that it auditions rex loops at tempo with Octo Rex thing, and most loop packs these days have rex versions, so that is a workaround.

Ok i am loving this, i have not slept in 38 hrs now :lol:

I'm quite surprised to hear this. Do you dislike even the SSL EQ's? Granted that you might need the filters too (I like to use the HP filter at low Hz on the channel strip to cut lows). But I found the SSL eq extremely good, almost surgical precision.

I agree that there's a lack of vintage type eq's though. The Trident A-Range from Softube is the first I guess but I'd love to see some pultec action going on in the rack as well. :)

[eXode]

One thing i DO like is that it auditions rex loops at tempo with Octo Rex thing, and most loop packs these days have rex versions, so that is a workaround.

Ok i am loving this, i have not slept in 38 hrs now :lol:

Another nice thing imho is that Dr.OctoRex has a Gate output for the slices on the back (tab). You can in other words use rhythmic rex files to makes gated stutters on another device.

Also, once you have copied a Rex lopp to track you can right click it's clip and "learn" that groove and use that groove and apply it to other tracks in the seq with the regroove mixer.

I agree on rewire master though. That is actually two other points imho. Besides MIDI Out reason should really update rewire to support bi-directional audio AND become a rewire master. That would be nice.

[headquest]

My third is that there is honestly, and i am not being difficult here, but there is not a decent eq in the program, and a good eq is like the most essential thing on the planet. A dmg or fab filter RE can not come soon enough.. you listening guys? Trust me it will sell like hotcakes.. this program DESPERATELY needs a good eq, especially for high boosting, and low cuts.

Lastly, it would be nice if it was a rewire master so i could rewire live into it when i want to audition loops at tempo.

One thing i DO like is that it auditions rex loops at tempo with Octo Rex thing, and most loop packs these days have rex versions, so that is a workaround.

Ok i am loving this, i have not slept in 38 hrs now

I'm quite surprised to hear this. Do you dislike even the SSL EQ's? Granted that you might need the filters too (I like to use the HP filter at low Hz on the channel strip to cut lows). But I found the SSL eq extremely good, almost surgical precision.

I agree that there's a lack of vintage type eq's though. The Trident A-Range from Softube is the first I guess but I'd love to see some pultec action going on in the rack as well.

Those using VST effects have become used to very flexible EQ effects in recent years, and quite apart from the sound quality, Reason's EQs are VERY dated in terms of workflow...

The EQ effects that ttoz mentioned before have larger interfaces than the Reason Rack allows, they have multiple draggable nodes right in the interface, each with selectable band types (often more than a dozen types to choose from), they have frequency spectrum analysis built in as a visualisation behind the EQ curve you draw, sometimes showing "before and after". They offer linear phase processing, Mid-Side processing, separate left/right processing, .... I could go on, but I'm sure you understand we are talking about EQ effects that are in a completely different league to those offered in Reason 6.

The bigger shame is that the RE toolkit doesn't allow for stuff like frequency spectum analysis or draggable nodes at present - so that RE developers cannot currently make modern EQ effects for Reason either. At this point Reason users really are stuck with using the retro workflow paradigm rather than a modern software one.

[eXode]

Those using VST effects have become used to very flexible EQ effects in recent years, and quite apart from the sound quality, Reason's EQs are VERY dated in terms of workflow...

The EQ effects that ttoz mentioned before have larger interfaces than the Reason Rack allows, they have multiple draggable nodes right in the interface, each with selectable band types (often more than a dozen types to choose from), they have frequency spectrum analysis built in as a visualisation behind the EQ curve you draw, sometimes showing "before and after". They offer linear phase processing, Mid-Side processing, separate left/right processing, .... I could go on, but I'm sure you understand we are talking about EQ effects that are in a completely different league to those offered in Reason 6.

The bigger shame is that the RE toolkit doesn't allow for stuff like frequency spectum analysis or draggable nodes at present - so that RE developers cannot currently make modern EQ effects for Reason either. At this point Reason users really are stuck with using the retro workflow paradigm rather than a modern software one.

Yeah, I agree fully when it comes to the limits in visualisation/interface. It's actually quite a big annoyance that we can't have those types of interfaces. Only temporary I hope! :)

[headquest]

The processing stuff is important as well as the visuals - I know that stuff like separate right/left EQ processing is possible by setting up complex combinators (and hoping there won't be phase issues in the process) but it's much faster and easier to have the ability right in the plug in the first place.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[eXode]

well they could make equality with knobs.. without being draggable on the interface.. are you sure there is no visual analysis support ?

I personally don't know the deal with RE's. I mean you have the MClass Equalizer in the rack that gives you a window of the EQ curve. The curve is non-draggable but it changes as you turn the knobs, however I haven't even seen a RE that has something that 'simple' so I'm wondering if it's not supported. :/