KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:23 am

Urs wrote:
Ingonator wrote:I just did a few tests and the Juno presets in Diva (Fernandos bank) sound less authentic than the ones in U-No-LX and in some cases the Diva presets sound quite different also when compared to the audio demos of the real thing (see my last post). Also the Chorus in U-NO-LX sound better or just more authentic IMO.
The overall sound of Diva is great but as a pure emulation of the Juno-60 U-NO-LX seems to be far ahead.
Of course. Diva's parameters are not calibrated to any hardware device because that wouldn't have worked with the mix & match approach - A Minimoog Cutoff setting and range is different from a Juno one. A good "pure" emulation will therefore always sound closer to the hardware its modeled after and calibrated for.

Looking forward to trying this beast! Maybe we can sell our Junos 60s then

Hi Urs,

of course i know about the calibration of the parameters in Diva. Already had some headache when i made the Minimoog and Jupiter 8 presets with Diva...

I made only a fast comparison with Fernando's Juno 60 presets for Diva. I am sure that with some more tweaking you could get the sound of both (Diva and U-NO-LX) closer.

As you got the real Juno-60 you got a better comparison than i have with the audio demos here: http://www.synthmania.com/juno-60.htm

Ingo

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:27 am

I don't want to sound ungrateful, but 70$ after the introductory price period seems a bit overpriced, considering what other plugins supply for a similar price... i mean add 30$ to that and you already get z3ta 2, which kinda is a zillion times as versatile as this. Maybe would have been more wise to keep it on 35$.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:29 am

Urs wrote: Maybe we can sell our Junos 60s then

I sold mine years ago and never regretted it..in fact after a few minutes with U-No-Lx my decision is confirmed. Not that U-NO-LX is bad it's just the original wasn't that impressive. This is a very nice plugin and I'll probably pick it up for nostalgia's sake....but I've got my eye on DIVA and this could just be a distraction. Still as someone said, TAL has given us so much that buying this plugin as a sign of support and appreciation seems like the right thing to do........

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:37 am

chk071 wrote:I don't want to sound ungrateful, but 70$ after the introductory price period seems a bit overpriced, considering what other plugins supply for a similar price... i mean add 30$ to that and you already get z3ta 2, which kinda is a zillion times as versatile as this. Maybe would have been more wise to keep it on 35$.

I agree with this...

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:40 am

Really not bad, though i think it more or less all stands and falls with the chorus.

UI urgently needs work, the pushbuttons look horribly blurred and deformed and many of the sliders are off center.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:11 pm

ENV1 wrote:Really not bad, though i think it more or less all stands and falls with the chorus.

UI urgently needs work, the pushbuttons look horribly blurred and deformed and many of the sliders are off center.

UI isn't the greatest, but it reproduces every Juno inteface control. I always switch to Cubase Generic Plugin editor to input precise values for the sliders.

Sendy wrote:First impression is quite good actually. It just has that pleasant plain but slightly organic sound and the filter's oscillation is very pleasant and not horribly peircing. I was hoping for a bit more magic, maybe some sync or ringmod action or whatever, but I may get this while it's cheap.

Like the PPG 3.V the TAL-Uno-LX is intended as a complete emulation of a specific synth and has to be evaluated in that respect.
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/downloads/juno_vs_u-no_02.wav

I consider it the most precise Analog Synth emulation to date and would have paid up to $149 because its already x64 Native. I'm no longer getting any x86 only plugs.

pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:04 pm

electro wrote: I consider it the most precise Analog Synth emulation to date and would have paid up to $149 because its already x64 Native.

+1

70$ is cheap, 35$ is a bargain. If you want the sound of Juno-60 in your arsenal, this is it.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:38 pm

As I wrote several days ago, the U-No-LX is a very accurate emulation of the Juno-60. Therefore, it is what it is - not the most powerful/complete synth in the world, I agree. But it does very well what it does.
Talking about how it sounds without the chorus is completely silly - it sounds as the Juno-60 sounds without the chorus. I remember reading an interview with Paul Wiffen about the Synthex where he told that, when exhibiting at the Musikmesse, some people came to him, asking to turn off the chorus and telling: "see, without the chorus, it sounds nothing special".

The Juno-60 sound is indissociable from the chorus, as well as the U-No-LX.
Regarding the lacking of other bells and whistles, since the goal was to emulate the Juno-60, that was not in the table - it's to be seen as a Juno-60 in software. If people want that sound as usabilitym they have it. If they want omre, maybe it's better to look for other alternatives.
Anyway, I am trying to convince Patrick to come up with something based on this that offers much more, including several features that the Juno obviously misses but people are used to nowadays. Maybe if this is successful he feels encouraged to embark on that adventure.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:43 pm

are the free licenses for old paypal donors (above 20$) being given out? or that idea was scrapped?
i didn't receive mine....althouh i don't remember how much i donated to be honest

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:45 pm

I'm not complaining about it really, just 'observing' and comparing. I think it is a sweet sounding synth, just I was a/b'ing next to what is generally considered a pretty good Juno emulation, that's all.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:51 pm

Ingonator wrote: I made only a fast comparison with Fernando's Juno 60 presets for Diva. I am sure that with some more tweaking you could get the sound of both (Diva and U-NO-LX) closer.

As you got the real Juno-60 you got a better comparison than i have with the audio demos here: http://www.synthmania.com/juno-60.htm

Ingo

Hi Ingo:
Thanks for taking the time to listen. I created my Juno patches for the DIVA in a hurry, because I only had a few days before release, and I have a daytime job. Therefore, I just created some approximations using sometimes mopre my ears than the patch sheets. I even didn't had the time to compare to the original.
With the U-No-LX it was different. I had some time, and I could take the time to compare to the original. Of course, I did not recteated the factory oatches (someone else did that) but I created some patches inspired on them (kind of variations).
Regarding DIVA, I believe I could perfect my patches, but I am working on my own bank (and no, it's not to be sold - I thik there are much more gifted people already selling their sounds, so mine will be free), using what DIVA has to offer, instead of restrained myself to the Juno emulation.
But Urs is right - using the same parameters it would be impossible - one has to take the sound as our goal is go from there. OTOH, once settled, we can use that as departure for creating other sounds, using other modules, like the Jupiter Oscs or the Mini Oscs, the different filters, etc.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:56 pm

braj wrote:I'm not complaining about it really, just 'observing' and comparing. I think it is a sweet sounding synth, just I was a/b'ing next to what is generally considered a pretty good Juno emulation, that's all.

Actually, the raw sounds (if you mean what I think) are NOT that close to Juno. It just has some modules inspired by Juno (as well as several others). I'm just placing things where they belong

Not apples and oranges, perhaps, but maybe apples and pears

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:13 pm

fmr wrote:
braj wrote:I'm not complaining about it really, just 'observing' and comparing. I think it is a sweet sounding synth, just I was a/b'ing next to what is generally considered a pretty good Juno emulation, that's all.
Actually, the raw sounds (if you mean what I think) are NOT that close to Juno. It just has some modules inspired by Juno (as well as several others). I'm just placing things where they belong Not apples and oranges, perhaps, but maybe apples and pears

Point taken, btw im a little bananas myself

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:28 pm

Ingonator wrote: I made only a fast comparison with Fernando's Juno 60 presets for Diva. I am sure that with some more tweaking you could get the sound of both (Diva and U-NO-LX) closer.

As you got the real Juno-60 you got a better comparison than i have with the audio demos here: http://www.synthmania.com/juno-60.htm

Ingo

Parameter for Parameter TAL-Uno-LX has been tweaked to perfection. Its exactly same as the Juno.

fmr wrote:But Urs is right - using the same parameters it would be impossible - one has to take the sound as our goal is go from there. OTOH, once settled, we can use that as departure for creating other sounds, using other modules, like the Jupiter Oscs or the Mini Oscs, the different filters, etc.

I would welcome a Urs Minimoog with filter and ADSR properly calibrated.

baconpriest · Post by **baconpriest** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:48 pm

Mine is not letting me save presets. Anyone else having this problem?

TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.