Surface 2013: good bye iPad?

[IncarnateX]

but for plenty of cases people don't need mobile devices.

No but they all got one

In the 80s many people did not need a personal computer for the tasks of daily living but eventually they all got one.

In the 90s no one really needed the internet for daily living but eventually they all became users.

and so forth...

Trying to argue against development is like pissing against the wind...you will get wet, stinky and eventually make a fool of yourself

[ericj23]

but for plenty of cases people don't need mobile devices.

No but they all got one

In the 80s many people did not need a personal computer for the tasks of daily living but eventually they all got one.

In the 90s no one really needed the internet for daily living but eventually they all became users.

and so forth...

Trying to argue against development is like pissing against the wind...you will get wet, stinky and eventually make a fool of yourself

So do you think everyone in my company has a non x86 device ?? really, really or are you just unwilling to see that you might have had something wrong. Absolutely no-one in my company has a mobile device for doing work - we all have phones but no idevices anywhere to be seen - they are not cost effective or secure enough and they don't run the required office/proprietary software - so a company of over 1000 people has 0 such devices and has 0 plans to get any.

My wife worked in a large government department employing a few hundred people - exactly the same situation - I think one of the bosses has an ipad so they can look swanky in meetings, but for those of us who don't have typists to do our actual administrative/organisational work for us it is not useful.

So I seriously have to ask do you actually work in a business environment for a living or are you a musician. Because your insistence that things will change seems to just be about consumers and my point - just to be clear - is that consumers are not the b all and end all - we might all have one at home, but that is about half of the sales of computers.

[IncarnateX]

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Good luck stopping the train Spiderman

[fmr]

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Good luck stopping the train Spiderman

Paraphrasing robojam, if it really is coming, why do you feel the need to keep saying everywhere it's coming? Let it come. We are not going anywhere... Unless you need to tell that to yourself, to feel more comfortable regarding your own options

[ericj23]

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Good luck stopping the train Spiderman

You can always tell your when someone stops trying to argue and just starts being "funny" that they have run out of anything to say and cannot refute anything factual included

And if memory serves he did stop the train so your picture isn't really very "funny" either

PS FIFY

In the 80s many people did not need a personal computer for the tasks of daily living but eventually they all got one.
In the 90s they realised they didn't use it for anything other than games and bought playstations and xboxes
In the 2000s they realised didn't need it for anything other than email and facebook and bought smartphones

In the 90s no one really needed the internet for daily living but eventually they all became users.
In the 2000's they predicted the end of the high street and libraries because of the internet
In the 2010 they are all still there while we are past our second dot com bubble

and so forth...

[IncarnateX]

And if memory serves he did stop the train so your picture isn't really very "funny" either..

Yes but he is the real-fake spiderman and you are just a fake-fake spiderman. A wannabe. Besides the story of spiderman is actually fiction just like Santa Claus and Lassie (Sorry if I break some illusions by saying this).

[Wormhelmet]

but for plenty of cases people don't need mobile devices.

No but they all got one

In the 80s many people did not need a personal computer for the tasks of daily living but eventually they all got one.

In the 90s no one really needed the internet for daily living but eventually they all became users.

and so forth...

Trying to argue against development is like pissing against the wind...you will get wet, stinky and eventually make a fool of yourself

So do you think everyone in my company has a non x86 device ?? really, really or are you just unwilling to see that you might have had something wrong. Absolutely no-one in my company has a mobile device for doing work - we all have phones but no idevices anywhere to be seen - they are not cost effective or secure enough and they don't run the required office/proprietary software - so a company of over 1000 people has 0 such devices and has 0 plans to get any.

My wife worked in a large government department employing a few hundred people - exactly the same situation - I think one of the bosses has an ipad so they can look swanky in meetings, but for those of us who don't have typists to do our actual administrative/organisational work for us it is not useful.

So I seriously have to ask do you actually work in a business environment for a living or are you a musician. Because your insistence that things will change seems to just be about consumers and my point - just to be clear - is that consumers are not the b all and end all - we might all have one at home, but that is about half of the sales of computers.

On the contrary for business use. Mobile devices like the iPad are practical, easy to use, work well with a VPN client, can be managed for security fairly easily with apps like Maas360 through back end server integration with other services such as exchange active sync.

They provide Remote Desktop capability or direct intranet application use on VPN connections.

I frequently use mine to check on servers or network devices remotely and 3G or 4G access lets you get in any time with an easier to carry device than a standard laptop. With 30 pin to console RJ45 adaptor and apps like "Get Console", I can even console connect to my routers, switches, firewalls, etc directly when working at one of our locations, plus use my 3G connection to Remote Desktop to main data center PC and check either location as I bring the location back up connected on my iPad.

As a main computing instrument for business use, I would agree they are not practical, but as a supplemental work device, they have proven value and are well received and easy to work on.

Not just for swankiness.

Just my own experience here, but have spoken to many other large enterprise businesses that deploy these iDevices successfully.

Out of nearly 700 employees, there are only about 45 with iPads, but they sure get quality business use out of them.

And I can still mix at work with it.

[4damind]

As of late I see a interesting movement/interest for 7" tablets like the Google Nexus. This are more this devices people can hold a long time with one hand on the sofa, can be easy used for all kind of outdoor stuff like maps/routing with GPS etc and this devices are not very expensive.

Maybe that's why a lot of people having not such a big interest for a touchscreen laptop like the Surface and instead using a lot cheaper and more powerful laptop and for other stuff ("surfing on the couch", travelling) some of this 7 or 8" tablets?

[ericj23]

And suddenly there is a conversation!

Wormhelmet I have a different take on security and administration to you

I work supporting children's services - security for me is around how easy it is for someone to get files off a device that has been misplaced, as they are full of confidential info. Alas it is pretty easy to hack most tablets if you know what your doing - custom boot rooms are usually all that is needed. Set it in repair mode and the files are yours. The situation with x86 equipment is not necessarily much better depending on how your laptop/desktop is set up, but things like bitlocker are pretty robust, unless you have crossed the NSA.

What I meant by administrative is essentially typing - not systems admin.

Sorry about the confusion. I was really raising the point that there are a few useage scenrios where x86 will continue to dominate and they are not a non existant part of the market.

What you and 4damind have identified the areas where new useage's have made the devices popular - I am no luddite, my phone is a galaxy note, but I just can't see where a tablet fits in my life. I have an ultrabook laptop for surfing on the sofa and a smart telly for looking at pictures/videos

But that may change once/if x86 tablets are workable - a portable touchscreen computer where I can mix a project I can then finish on the big bad computer at home sounds great

I am not convinced that surface 2013 pro is it though

[IncarnateX]

Let it come.

Fail again, Mr. I-have-been-in-the-business-for-30-years-but-my-predictions-never-made-me-rich. The development is not "coming", it is already here. Seems like you will stay poor this time as well.

[fmr]

Let it come.

Fail again, Mr. I-have-been-in-the-business-for-30-years-but-my-predictions-never-made-me-rich. The development is not "coming", it is already here. Seems like you will stay poor this time as well.

Is that so? Funny enough, I don't see very much work coming out of it. Anyway, thanks for your sympathy regarding my economic situation

[IncarnateX]

Let it come.

Fail again, Mr. I-have-been-in-the-business-for-30-years-but-my-predictions-never-made-me-rich. The development is not "coming", it is already here. Seems like you will stay poor this time as well.

Is that so? Funny enough, I don't see very much work coming out of it. Anyway, thanks for your sympathy regarding my economic situation

Oh! You have my full sympathy. Make no mistakes about that.

[IncarnateX]

I don't see very much work coming out of it.

I know! That is actually my point. As already said: You need glasses.

[ericj23]

I must be getting old. I increasingly think there was some kernel of truth in that Victorian attitude of children being seen and not heard.

At least I hope this is children talking, as god forbid any of you have got to adulthood with the lack of grace, consideration and appreciation being shown here.

IMHO of course.

[IncarnateX]

You can always tell your when someone stops trying to argue and just starts being "funny"...

I do not "argue" with fortune-tellers, Nostradamus, I taunt them. Especially when they are wrong