KVR Audio

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:37 pm

I have always set my default startup docs (in everything) to 4-8 bar loop. With say a 1 bar of drums looping in the background... Unless your recording a band, or live acoustic instruments (guitars), it's probably the best way to get going in electronic composition... You can quickly see how the drums and bass begin to develop a groove that way... I could write a million songs starting from that point! Add a catchy melody line, and Voila! Simply a matter of creating a couple of variations, and a break or two! (see wasn't that easy?)... That process does seem to lend itself to a linear timeline, though? Live, would be great if you were creating those audio clips with hardware, and just bringing in the variations to the session window, then it would be easy to piece together the variations in rows to make up the parts of a song. Pretty much not going to be able to do that with standard loop collections, because there isn't enough variation, and furthermore there not MY variations! I want to control all the sounds... which I find hard to do with standard loops... Now, if I had a Virus, a Triton, and a Fantom, sitting there, I'd just create what I wanted (clipwise), send it to Live and mess with variations! But that's not what we're all doing, eh? In 4.0 you'll sort of be able to do that with software instruments, but will that be done in the session view, and jump to arrange to SEE what's going on? I find that "jumping back and forth" the problem... But that may be because I'm used to the "linear way..." Sometimes, I'll use a single note for a fill-in, which is spontaneous, while listening to the rest of a composition... Hard to do that with loops...

eviltez · Post by **eviltez** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:51 pm

Please read this...

http://www.tweakheadz.com/sampling_software.html

Then tell me Live 4 wont change everything

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:24 pm

Hmmm... sounds like Hardware in there to me, which was my point... A lot of people who use live, just dump samples and loops made with hardware. But if you can get duplicate that proces with softs, then that will be groundbreaking... Hmmm, you got me thinking about a Hardware sampler now?

Phaedo · Post by **Phaedo** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:56 pm

Actually, you can. Bounce a piece of audio, load up the wav... it's not even harder work than doing it with a true sampler.

eviltez · Post by **eviltez** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:41 pm

You'll be able to do everything in that article with Live 4 (if its not hype).

The tools and the working method are there. The really cool thing is it has (from the information ive read) cut out all the crap bounching from a sampler to a hard disk recorder because its both. Live 4 will treat midi loops like audio loops. Something Ive been begging for years.

If the the hype is to be belived this is a samplists dream!

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:45 pm

On a side note, (any Live experts)...how do, you get clips/loops that have been adjusted/manipulated in session view into arrange view...other than copy and paste, which is what I've been doing?? And record of course... If there's a better way, I haven't found it in the manual yet...

eviltez · Post by **eviltez** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:57 pm

What are you trying to achive?

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:58 pm

DHR53 wrote:On a side note, (any Live experts)...how do, you get clips/loops that have been adjusted/manipulated in session view into arrange view...other than copy and paste, which is what I've been doing?? And record of course... If there's a better way, I haven't found it in the manual yet...

If I have read your post correctly... all you have to do is drag the clip toward the arranger icon /tab / button and the arranger will automatically open and you can drop your clip anywhere in the arranger, I do this all the time.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:59 pm

Yea, I found that one in the manual... although I read through it quickly, and I guess I didn't see it? I'm still trying to figure out how to record an existing track, to another... Which I though you could do? Hmmm... maybe I didn't understand that... Wonder if you can do that with Reason running into Live?

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:31 am

This topic has been around for a while now, and I'm getting pretty tired of seeing it listed in the latest posts, and then forming a mental image of a drool cup. Yech!

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:59 am

DHR53 the first thing to know about live is that it can be anything you want in it's current Live 3 state
minus a midi sequencer. you can just do anything with
it, you can be however linear you want to be i mean think about it, it doesn't even have a midi sequencer
so it's probably more linear than most, sure you can be loopy but don't let the word loops and the worlds fascination with them bog you down if loops are not your thing don't use them. in the session view as well as the arranger view it's a simple one button click to turn of the looping ability. You don't have to go through all of that hard time switcing back and forth between the two views either, if you prefer
the traditional approach why not stay in arranger view, you'll still have all of the features of the session view save the clip triggering. sometimes I think they should've just called the app ableton because some people think its only for live use, even though it does proffessional resolutions and even though the arranger view is your basic Daw cutout. you've got tracks, effects, vstefx, and sick disgustingly implemented automation, turn looping on or off and go to town.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:06 am

another great thing I like about it is that you can edit the audio tracks at the sample level right on the screen easier than any other app to, and one thing that it has all over the competition is record your song, no loops . bring in your players, decide you don't like the drums or whaterver, you can bring the drummer in again and rerecord some drums and then
fit them to the other music much easier than with the other apps.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:09 am

oh yeah, DHR53 to change to the arranger view if you don't like dragging just hit the tab button and your there, paste where ever you want.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:40 pm

Hmmm... yea, it will do a lot of things, but with audio only... I'm experimenting with recording the input from Reason now, seems to erase each take in loop mode, but says take 2 anyway? I guess punch in and out has to be used to not overlap? Still see it as an audio app at this stage...

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:32 pm

it's not erasing the takes they are there, think of them as slip editing, just unfold them and put them where you want, its one of coolest features. maybe you want a guitar part that's only 5bars long, set your loop recording points and then just play your guitar or reason, or whatever over and over for an hour if you feel like it, stop recording and you've got an hours worth of jamming right there all recorded under a what looks like a 5bar block of audio just waiting to be unfolded, or don't unfold cause that would be a very long track, instead just move the audio itself with in the 5 bar block to what ever point in your recording that you want.

Get drool cups ready for... Live 4